WHO SHOULD PAY AND HOW MUCH?

Discussion in 'Central States Pension Fund Discussion' started by Bubba Gump, Jun 18, 2016.

  1. Apostolic

    Apostolic Super Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm retired so I can't vote,however I wish I could as my vote would not be for the present administration.
     
  2. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    Not making excuses for Hoffa but before December 2014 the only one allowed to make changes to our pension fund and payouts was the government. They decided we was overfunded at some point and raised retirement payouts by almost double and made 25 and out and 30 and out knowing full well our membership in these funds were plummeting. Pretty obvious it's the government that forced this to me. Just my opinion
     
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  3. 00mustang

    00mustang JUST LIVING THE DREAM

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    That's what they don't understand Sac that the goverment had all the control of it for years and did NOTHING to stop the bleeding.I know we lost a lot of companies that weren't forced to pay when they went belly up cause we were on the end of the pecking order to be paid. This has been said so many time now and people still don't get it. And NO I'm not a Hoffa supporter. "nuff said enjoy the weekend and stay safe
     
  4. Bubba Gump

    Bubba Gump Active Member

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    PAPA, after 2 years of fighting please share with the forum who it has been determined should pay and how much.
     
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    There is no answer to your question... If you can ask an legitimate question then I will try to answer. Read this next quote...

     
  6. Bubba Gump

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    Papa what did the forensic audit find? Did it find wrong doing that will lead to recovery of funds for CSPF?
     
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    The Forensic audit has not been completed yet to the best of my knowledge. Probably will not be completed before this summer. When the official reports come out they will be released.
     
  8. Bubba Gump

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    Papa the PBGC is assisting over 60 bankrupt multi employer pension funds. Why do the fighters think they can convince congress to use borrowed or tax payer money to pay full CSPF pensions?
     
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    A lot is going on right now. First we have to wait for the investigation to be completed. You have to do things with order.
     
  10. Bubba Gump

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    Papa, in previous post you mentioned the reason congress hasn't done anything with CSPF is their focus on The United Mine Workers pension fund. Papa, can you give the forum an update on the effort to save the UMWA pension fund? Since the plan to save the UMWA pension fund is to use funds from the Mine Reclamation Fund. How do the non-union miners feel about not getting a paid pension from the Mine Reclamation Fund?
     
  11. Bubba Gump

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    Papa I don't think you understood the question! In the past congress didn't bail out 60 plus pension funds! Why do the fighters think they will bail out CSPF.
     
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    You have to wait for the investigation to end. That's when we will know what direction we need to pursue....
     
  13. Bubba Gump

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    Papa, you have been evading legitimate questions that the fighters should have answers for! So far your "hobby" is a lot like masturbation, it makes you feel good, but it has produced nothing!
     
  14. Bubba Gump

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    How about that UMWA update for the forum?
     
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    Seems you are off your meds again... What have I been telling you about that. For the record no one wants to hear about your personal habits... So please keep your perversions out of this!!!! GET BACK ON YOUR MEDS!!!

    When you decide to ask a legitimate question I will answer you. Wait for the investigation to end, and you will have answers.
     
  17. Bubba Gump

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    Papa, The United Mine Workers pension plan was the only pension plan with a snow balls chance in hell of being bailed out. This was with a democrat president and both houses of congress, with a filibuster proof senate for 2 years. Now that trump is president " VOTED IN BY ANGRY WHITE MEN WITH NO PENSION" I think it is time for the fighters to come to grips with reality. From this point forward all efforts by the government, unions and union companies will be staying in business, keeping PBGC solvent and not stealing current workers retirement benefits. Bernie Sanders and The Pension Rights group know CSPF will never be bailed out. Their end game is a National Pension ( an enhanced social security ) and a single payer health care system. If you are for that, fight for it. But please quit thinking you are so special that you think you can get congress to pay you more than the PBGC insured amount. Sixty multi employer plans have already gone broke. No bail out for them!!! The only thing special about CSPF is it will BANKRUPT the insurance company.
     
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    You really are a pip... Just keep living in the dark because sure don't know what you are taking about and I am not going to waste my time explaining it to a loser who is incapable of comprehending.

    You and Apostolic can live your life with your head stuck in the sand.. drinking the cool aid, and you are guaranteed to lose.
     
  19. Apostolic

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    Well sir there are times we have to face the facts as realists.
    You can fight a losing battle as much as you want,however the fact is our Teamster Fund is going broke.
    Partly from past & present corruption,& less contributions.
    As mush as I hate it, my payments will be reduced by 31% beginning July 1st,2017 & there is nothing,I repeat (NOTHING) you or I can do about it.
     
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    A man has to do what a man has to do.. Once a quitter always a quitter. Nothing is a done deal until it's over... For you My friend it's over no matter what happens.. Good luck and god bless. You will need it!!!
     

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