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highheadblues said:
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Professional athletes a perfect example for our discussion so glad you brought them up. Pro athletes are all union employees who have negotiated they're fair share of they're leagues revenue. I have no problem with how much the players(workers) make as long as they get they're share. And as far as the minimum wage im more concerned about workers getting they're fair share. Mcdonalds for example has the highest exec/worker ratio at over 700 times they can afford to pay they're workers better, because after all its me and you that pay the rest of they're salary through food stamps, emergency room visits, rent assistance and other govt benefits. I would like to see the minimum wage tied to the inflation rate tho.
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So let me get this straight...you're ok with professional athletes making the money because they're union employees...oh, and they're getting their "fair share", but not ok with top execs getting theirs...must be because they're non-union...are they too not getting their "fair share"? The stock holders seem to think so since it's them who determine much of what the top execs get.
Maybe you should ask the stockholders to give you your "fair share".

So does this also mean you boycott McDonald's because they don't pay their "workers" fairly?
How do we pay the rest of their salary through govt benefits? Are you claiming their employees are also on they govt dole b/c McDonald's refuses to pay them their "fair share"?
 
SwampRatt said:
Fair assessment, Ex. I can see that as possible. Some trades do almost require membership, for significant contracts, etc. I see said the blind man :smilie93c peelout:
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Let me expand that statement a little "I see said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw" lol
 
highheadblues said:
You really bought into

Professional athletes a perfect example for our discussion so glad you brought them up. Pro athletes are all union employees who have negotiated they're fair share of they're leagues revenue. I have no problem with how much the players(workers) make as long as they get they're share. And as far as the minimum wage im more concerned about workers getting they're fair share. Mcdonalds for example has the highest exec/worker ratio at over 700 times they can afford to pay they're workers better, because after all its me and you that pay the rest of they're salary through food stamps, emergency room visits, rent assistance and other govt benefits. I would like to see the minimum wage tied to the inflation rate tho.
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Fair share is pretty far reaching term.........and I am also quite certain that every coin has two sides to it.........

If a company suddenly begins operating at 104 or so, would the employees be expected to write a check to cover their "fair share" of the loss?

Guessing it would probably be due to "poor management"........which could very well be the case, but if a person is going to have to bear that responsibility, they should probably be compensated for it.

Just like anything else in a capitalistic market, due to the age old rule of supply and demand, those that are in the elite of their chosen profession are compensated at high rates.

Sure the pro athletes belong to an organization, but I would classify it as more along the lines of an "association" than a traditional union. It is more capitalistic in nature than the socialism aspects of the traditional labor organization. A prime example would be Clayton Kershaw making 30 million a year for doing essentially the same job as another pitcher who might make the league minimum (about 600k I think)........would that ever happen in a "traditional" union environment. Could you imagine if a road driver made 50 times the average road driver because someone thought he was the best?

It is the reason I dont believe socialized medicine is very effective. Doctors and other medical professionals are on fixed rates through the gov't..........basically limiting demand for excellence and limiting possible earning potential, thus causing the best and brightest to move into other fields where excellence might have better rewards. There is a reason folks from those countries often go to non-socialized medicine countries to get treatment........

Why strive to be the best when you can be mediocre and reap the same benefits as others?
 
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citydog said:
http://www.heritage.org/research/re...-how-labor-unions-affect-jobs-and-the-economy

Found is artical sums it up of why we don't need the union.
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For every article you put up against it you can also put that many up for it!!! Keep digging desk boy!!!
 
Redracer3136 said:
So my guess is you don't believe professional athletes are worth the money they're making either?
And I'm guessing you believe minimum wage should be $15 an hour too?
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We're getting off topic, but...

For me the best ever example of why a cap on individual earnings is ill conceived, comes from the boxing ring. A Mike Tyson level boxer makes gazillions for stepping into the ring. So do countless others, make significant profits from his mere presence in the ring. If he stays home, no one makes anything. People want to pay for his "service/performance". Few individuals bring such value to the table, therefore compensation should match the value, no matter how high that is. Value is determined by what is willing to be paid. IMHO

Higher minimum wages almost always negatively effect the very bottom of the economic ladder. Those entry level positions, for inexperienced workers who bring little value to the table, are the first to go. Minimum wage is not expected to be a permanent place on economic ladder, but a 1st step. IMHO
 
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SwampRatt said:
We're getting off topic, but...

For me the best ever example of why a cap on individual earnings is ill conceived, comes from the boxing ring. A Mike Tyson level boxer makes gazillions for stepping into the ring. So do countless others, make significant profits from his mere presence in the ring. If he stays home, no one makes anything. People want to pay for his "service/performance". Few individuals bring such value to the table, therefore compensation should match the value, no matter how high that is. Value is determined by what is willing to be paid.
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I agree with you 100%, that was a rhetorical question.
 
Redracer3136 said:
So let me get this straight...you're ok with professional athletes making the money because they're union employees...oh, and they're getting their "fair share", but not ok with top execs getting theirs...must be because they're non-union...are they too not getting their "fair share"? The stock holders seem to think so since it's them who determine much of what the top execs get.
Maybe you should ask the stockholders to give you your "fair share".

So does this also mean you boycott McDonald's because they don't pay their "workers" fairly?
How do we pay the rest of their salary through govt benefits? Are you claiming their employees are also on they govt dole b/c McDonald's refuses to pay them their "fair share"?
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In professional sports everybody has NEGOTIATED a contract including the executives. All executives work under a contract in america its just us workers who are fire at will employees. When they're is a negotiation all parties regardless if your union or not are much more likely to get a better deal. If there is no negotiations your definitely not going to get a fair shake. Kinda funny how no executives would work without a contract but its the end of the world if younwant one. And yes our taxes definitely subsidize mcdonalds employees, they dont make enough money to survive on, we pay the rest through food stamps, emergency room visits, housing assistance, medicaid for they're children. So yes since mcdonalds chooses to pay their ceo close to 800 times what they pay their workers for nothing they havent changed their menue in 30 years we definitely pay part of their salary
 
Are you claiming their employees are also on they govt dole b/c McDonald's refuses to pay them their "fair share"?


Can not speak for McDonalds employees...

But you do know that there are hundreds if not thousands of kids on the Govt "dole" even though they all have Medical Coverage through Fedex? Either through their States Childrens Medicaid services and or through the school system.

Obviously not due to not getting paid fairly at Fedex, but obviously due to the Poor medical insurance and Fedex refusal to cover Child disabilities such as and not exclusive to:

Autism

Intellectual Disadvantages

deafness

blindness

Any and all Developmental delay in childhood which may be due to :

premature birth, cleft palate, cancer, speech or language disability, oxygen deprivation, social/pragmatic disorders, ADHD, etc..
 
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SwampRatt said:
Few individuals bring such value to the table, therefore compensation should match the value, no matter how high that is. Value is determined by what is willing to be paid. IMHO

Higher minimum wages almost always negatively effect the very bottom of the economic ladder. Those entry level positions, for inexperienced workers who bring little value to the table, are the first to go. Minimum wage is not expected to be a permanent place on economic ladder, but a 1st step. IMHO
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Nailed it.

If there were as many people capable of being an effective CEO as there were CDL holders, CEO's wouldn't make so much money. There is a reason that CDL holders make more than a burger flipper.

Sure, some CEOs are overpaid. Most are not.
 
EX396 said:
You forgot clergy, policemen, and surgeons. All despicable professions, full of folks with psychological disorders. [/sarcasm]
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Yes I did... Fedex does not have those professionals on staff. The ones I posted are. Truck Driver is not on the list.
 
That's because most people who are classified as high functioning sociopaths would not be attracted to the thought of driving a truck for a living...they leave that job for the neurotics.
 
Bladerunner2000 said:
And this is why we need one:

1- http://www.wsj.com/articles/fedex-profit-jumps-24-as-revenue-rises-across-segments-1410955182

2- http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2014/06/18/fedex-posts-fiscal-4q-beat/

3- http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...-in-multimillion-dollar-pension-65447312.html

4- http://annualreport.van.fedex.com/2014/

5- http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

6- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/your-money/401ks-and-similar-plans/21retire.html?pagewanted=all (Read this one if you desire to have ANY kind of retirement)

7- http://www.marketwatch.com/story/401k-plans-are-matching-again-but-not-as-generously-1308070936394

8- http://www.commercialappeal.com/business/fedex-shifts-gears-on-health-insurance
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I "DON'T want a union because. 1. Don't want to be represented by a corrupt leech of an organization such as the teamsters 2. Don't want Fedex to stop being profitable like YRC, Holland, ABF, etc. 3. Don't want Fedex to go bankrupt like CF and many others have due to the teamsters. 4. Don't want my retirement to be in a shambles like most of the teamster pension plans. 5. Don't want to be part of an organization like the teamsters that has lost over 1,000,000 members in the last 20 or so years, with good reason. 6. Don't want to protect deadbeats who ride the unions coat tails to the companies demise.
 
Purple Hammer said:
I "DON'T want a union because. 1. Don't want to be represented by a corrupt leech of an organization such as the teamsters 2. Don't want Fedex to stop being profitable like YRC, Holland, ABF, etc. 3. Don't want Fedex to go bankrupt like CF and many others have due to the teamsters. 4. Don't want my retirement to be in a shambles like most of the teamster pension plans. 5. Don't want to be part of an organization like the teamsters that has lost over 1,000,000 members in the last 20 or so years, with good reason. 6. Don't want to protect deadbeats who ride the unions coat tails to the companies demise.
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Your ignorance is amazing.
 
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