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XPO union thread.

Discussion in 'XPO Logistics' started by upnorth, Oct 12, 2016.

  1. ScotchNeat

    ScotchNeat Well-Known Member

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    So I find this TDU article about UPS in another thread and I came across a particular sentence I wanted to share. Here is the sentence below in quotes.
    "The Teamster Package Division sent the company a letter yesterday objecting to its plans to subcontract out union work."
    Does anyone find a hint of union propaganda in that sentence, as I have?
     
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  2. joes bar and grill

    joes bar and grill Well-Known Member

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    That was in response to UPS wanting to hire contractors to deliver in their POV. Sounds to me like they are trying to protect jobs, that is part of their job.
     
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  3. sucker666

    sucker666 Well-Known Member

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    You can read it either way I guess. Ups is not going to jeopardize their reputation on Last mile like type of contractors. Their whole key to success is a uniformed trained stable work force. ( Xpo Las mile could take some lesson here )

    It's all hot air to put pressure on during talks happens every negotiation. You don't mess with success. Those Ups guys will come out of those contract talks at $40 hr.
    That's how collective bargaining works. Both sides put their stuff on the table and work towards an agreement.

    I would spend more time worrying about us working for one of the less worker friendly employers out there.
     
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  4. toilet paper

    toilet paper Well-Known Member

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    At least we have a contract that limits the use of contractors. How will you protect your jobs from these elchepo contractors file a grievance?
     
  5. ScotchNeat

    ScotchNeat Well-Known Member

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    See Joe, you fell for it. The quote referred to the jobs as "union work." Is it union work? Does the union own those jobs? No. Can the union protect that which it does not own? No. UPS owns the work and they can farm it to anyone they wish. Granted, the union can and will complain about it, but in the end, UPS owns that work and isn't required in any way, to capitulate to union demands to keep the work going to union workers. IMO, everything the Teamsters gets out of UPS is because UPS decided it would be so, not the Teamsters. I know my explanation might sound knit picky, but it pisses me off the way the Teamsters and other unions attempt to convince the labor force that they have more power than what they really do.
     
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  6. joes bar and grill

    joes bar and grill Well-Known Member

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    Yes the Teamsters can protect that work, no UPS cannot do as they please, it's called a contract and BOTH sides must abide by it.
     
  7. sucker666

    sucker666 Well-Known Member

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    The company is obligated to a binding contract by law. A company can not legally circumvent a union workforce by hiring non union workers at a facility that has union workers . If what you say was the case then Ups could simply start a non union entity to do the same job. That is not allowable under the law. Now that being said it's possible they could take a long term approach such as Cf did by starting a non union entity claiming it operates differently then Ups package and eventually phase out Ups package and have the new non union entity survive but that takes a long time as it did with us.
    I know because I lived through that whole process working here.
     
  8. sucker666

    sucker666 Well-Known Member

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    Also you say the Teamsters at Ups have no power. I think 20,000 of them walking off the job " IF" it came to Ups doing what they wanted might qualify as having some power . They have a say we don't. We are employees at will . Xpo can let you go for no reason and there's nothing we can do about it. That Sir is no power.
     
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  9. Serene Gene

    Serene Gene Well-Known Member

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    My god, that sounds terrible. What awful person would want to take that beautiful freight from LTL drivers pulling long boxes?
     
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  10. Songremainsthesame

    Songremainsthesame Well-Known Member

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    Yes I'm talking $70,000 but working at straight time.
     
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  11. Serene Gene

    Serene Gene Well-Known Member

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    What trimming has he done to tenured drivers since the buyout? Memory is a bit fuzzy at my age, but I seem to recall some raises. Pension is still there. Family medical less than 30 dollars a week. Vacation? Same. 401k? Same. Even kept the serious benefits like XM radio. Still having cookouts and handing out awards. What have we lost in the last 2 years other than the color blue? When exactly does the sky start falling, chicken little? You're starting to remind me of those doomsday prophesies on small town AM radio. Armageddon tomorrow, unless it isn't.

    We are not, and will never be, UPS- or Teamsters.
     
  12. Songremainsthesame

    Songremainsthesame Well-Known Member

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    I heartily agree as an OD employee they should pay overtime to the hourly guys. 55 hours a week (decent average of what the city guys work) is an awful lot of time to ask an employee to be at work.
     
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  13. Serene Gene

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    If that's true, why does XPO still use walkabouts? Final Mile is the largest last mile provider in the country- surely they can pick up our slack if it gets their foot in the door. If the goal was to phase us out for subcontractors, why isn't Final Mile still in Philly? Why aren't they in Salt Lake? I'm sure there are other locations that could use some cheap labor in the midst of a driver shortage.
     
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    My focus is not on tenured drivers only. New guys get less vacation in the long run, a smaller 401k match the medical insurance is crappy once your have a medical event ( don't just focus on the premiums as the company wants you too) the meat and potatoes of the coverage is not what it was ( tenured and new) and if I was a betting man I would bet it's only a matter of time before we are all offered the pension buy out but time will tell.
     
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  15. sucker666

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    And some of us are already Teamsters .. thank you.

    And more soon. Wink
     
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  16. Serene Gene

    Serene Gene Well-Known Member

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    So we really haven't lost anything- I thought not. Your focus is on the new drivers because you can use them to stir up the resentment, greed, and jealousy that the union machine feeds on, not because you just love them so very much.

    Not nearly enough to matter. It's alright- even the Browns have fans.
     
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    Your the one who made it a point to focus on tenured drivers and create division. I think its unfair that the new guys have sub standard compensation . Guys like you are only concerned about yourself .
     
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    sucker666 Well-Known Member

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    And come on it's more work for you.
     
  19. ScotchNeat

    ScotchNeat Well-Known Member

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    With the private workforce being less than 7 percent unionized and the Teamsters a smaller percentage within that, I stand by what I said earlier. I also think that getting 20,000 UPS drivers to walk off their jobs isn't realistic because too many of them don't want to go without a paycheck for any length of time, so your point really doesn't carry much, IMHO.
     
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  20. icuicp

    icuicp Well-Known Member

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    You may be right. But the only strike I ever participated in was UPS strike of '97
     
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