short memories? do any of you remember the year before the new contract ? questioniars sent out, what is most important to you in this new contract? things were slowing down at that time, and most said,be happy with small yearly raise,keep our 100% health care and raise in our pensions,some even said they would fore-go raise hourly for raise in health care and pension. we got raises and cost of liveing deal, got increase in pension and kept paid healthcare,and in return,companys got so called flexabilty with there utility guy deal. called compromize,you don't win everything without giveing something. what happened next was the worst economic down turn any of you have ever lived in or even your parents have lived in.10% give back to help save 45,000 teamster jobs or yrcw goes under,why, cause them along with a ton of other companys can't get commercial lending,or refiance ,or sell comercial paper,that keeps these big corps.running in there day to day ops.10% give back sucks,but at least union got the stock thing as getting -hopefully most of our give back back.the latest on that is ,indiviual accnts for members based on 2008 earnings, vs.stock price when it was set, and when this give back ends. if yrcw is still operateing, we all will get a good portion of lost wages back. ever work before,no, ever have this type of economic downturn before.no so, there is no reason this cant be the first time, and have it work. pick any 2 -3 industrys in this country right now and i'll bet you they have permitally layed off more workers than the yrc mearger has most likely elimanated includeing the lastest holland east coast thing.650,000 jobs a month have been lost for the last serveral months vs. 4-5,000 teamsters jobs at yrcw. do the math,ok. one last thing, there can't be but a small group of men still working that was around when hoffa sr.was president of the teamsters.he spent a portion of those last years in federal prison for useing your pension money to help finace the mafia. 100's of million just disapeared, which is probably will you still have to work. sr's bust head deal,yes was needed back than,that was what got the whole trucking industry unionized and started on the right path. those tactics would not work in todays global economey. like it or not. jr's job vs.sr'sjob is like compareing apples to oranges.whole differant world,envoiroment, econmey,nothing is the same.if you want to blame somebody for your loss of job right now, get the blame in the right direction, i beleive it;s called wall street, the ones who have turned debt of any kind into a windfall for themselfs and a nightmare one way or another for the rest of hard working ,middle class america.