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tena said:
I talked to one of the road stewards yesterday after the "Big" meeting over in West Seneca and he told me the road board would be 85 men.
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The active list at Yellow terminal as of 12-18 was 85.
Plus 5.
There will be 90 positions available on the road.
tena said:
We need more information on this change to find out where all of the work is going.
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Some of New England was pushed South through Maybrook and out through Richfield. With the increase in freight density Middletown will be able to direct load more freight that will be run South of us and out to RFO. Here's the updated primaries and overlays. http://members.verizon.net/s4ndm4n1/Primary&Overlay-web.pdf
tena said:
And if there is only 85 road drivers how many yard and dock will that leave?
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Yard and dock is not for me to comment on.
The new net loss number for the road should be -80 instead of -74 due to correction back to active list at Roadway on 12-18
tena said:
It looks very bad in Buffalo and there is going to be alot of good men out of work real soon. I know that this happening all over the country and I'm not trying so say oh poor us, feel bad for us. But one can't help but wonder why is Buffalo getting hammered so hard?
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They didn't want to keep two terminals in Buffalo. They couldn't fit all the freight from both terminals through Tonawanda so much will be diverted.
 
Unofficial Combined Seniority List - Buffalo

1. PS 02-11-84
2. JW 01-08-86
3. MJK 04-23-87
4. RSB 12-06-87
5. PS 01-28-88
6. WM 01-28-88
7. PL 06-22-88
8. CR 09-30-88
9. AL 10-30-88
10. EC 12-10-88
11. MC 08-28-89
12. DJ 09-01-89
13. RK 11-05-89
14. JR 11-05-89
15. DW 11-05-89
16. MC 11-05-89
17. RS 11-05-89
18. GN 11-06-89
19. JH 11-06-89
20. MJG 11-20-89
21. WJC 02-25-90
22. DMG 03-18-90
23. RWP 04-02-90
24. PO 04-18-90
25. PN 05-28-90
26. DWC 10-08-90
27. SJU 01-21-91
28. JD 04-01-91
29. JTG 04-21-91
30. BM 08-05-91
31. DMA 02-21-92
32. TJS 03-08-92
33. TRM 11-01-92
34. JGM 11-13-92
35. JBM 02-26=93
36. VRK 03-21-93
37. CLD 10-09-94
38. DS 02-23-95
39. AS 07-28-95
40. TPN 09-07-95
41. VW 09-25-95
42. RK 10-12-95
43. JC 10-12-95
44. DP 10-20-95
45. RS 09-06-96
46. MPF 04-09-97
47. MJR 04-11-97
48. BV 04-11-97
49. MAS 04-12-97
50. GMC 04-22-97
51. HVS 05-04-97
52. MFW 05-04-97
53. HLP 11-09-97
54. WAZ 04-19-98
55. GVS 04-21-98
56. LG 09-29-98
57. TZ 07-30-99
58. JH 07-31-99
59. PS 08-26-99
60. JF 08-26-99
61. BWB 08-30-99
62. WH 09-24-99
63. MO 09-24-99
64. PMW 09-27-99
65. TM 10-05-99
66. GM 02-20-2000
67. MS 02-20-2000
68. JB 02-27-2000
69. HU 03-02-2000
70. RD 03-02-2000
71. MG 03-02-2000
72. AC 03-14-2000
73. TD 04-04-2000
74. JK 04-23-2000
75. RF 05-20-2000
76. JB 05-25-2000
77. MD 06-24-2000
78. DAD 07-10-2000
79. JS 07-21-2000
80. CB 08-09-2000
81. JA 08-09-2000
82. MJK 09-12-2000
83. KAZ 11-08-2000
84. KAF 11-08-2000
85. CF 09-04-2001
86. FT 09-04-2001
87. DKB 09-05-2001
88. PF 09-12-2002
89. DG 09-12-2002
90. DA 09-12-2002
91. JM 09-12-2002
92. DR 09-13-2002
93. JS 09-13-2002
94. RM 09-13-2002
95. JF 09-13-2002
96. SO 09-14-2002
97. TM 09-14-2002
98. BT 09-14-2002
99. DC 09-16-2002
100. MC 09-20-2002
101. AW 09-20-2002
102. DA 09-21-2002
103. LZ 09-27-2002
104. SN 09-27-2002
105. PE 05-22-2003
106. MZ 05-23-2003
107. JG 05-31-2003
108. MC 05-31-2003
109. RP 06-03-2003
110. TW 06-03-2003
111. PA 06-26-2003
112. RH 06-30-2003
113. KD 07-03-2003
114. MN 07-08-2003
115. MW 07-08-2003
116. GO 07-21-2003
117. LB 07-26-2003
118. RR 07-26-2003
119. RM 08-08-2003
120. MW 09-13-2003
121. JC 09-21-2003
122. TB 10-09-2003
123. KH 10-19-2003
124. WLW 10-23-2003
125. GL 10-28-2003
126. JS 11-04-2003
127. LJK 11-17-2003
128. DW 04-24-2003
129. TH 04-30-2003
130. SS 05-08-2004
131. MS 06-10-2004
132. JW 06-12-2004
134. MD 06-12-2004
135. RK 08-09-2004
136. CJE 08-30-2004
137. KAL 09-27-2004
138. LPL 10-17-2004
139. DJL 01-05-2005
140. BSJ 01-24-2005
141. WGB 01-26-2005
142. TBF 02-14-2005
143. DMH 04-02-2005
144. AMO 04-18-2005
145. WHP 04-29-2005
146. HH 09-01-2005
147. GFW 12-09-2005
148. CH 03-09-2006
149. RAL 03-09-2006
150. JMS 03-11-2006
151. DNK 03-11-2006
152. BWV 03-11-2006
153. DRD 03-11-2006
154. HGV 03-11-2006
155. NLF 03-12-2006
156. MLY 03-12-2006
157. GJL 03-13-2006
158. RPP 03-13-2006
159. JSB 03-13-2006
160. BEH 03-14-2006
161. RC 03-16-2006
162. AAA 03-17-2006
163. WJM 03-20-2006
164. MLW 03-21-2006
165. ERL 03-22-2006
166. CR 03-22-2006
167. BB 03-29-2006
168. CL 03-29-2006
169. TJS 04-11-2006
170. JAW 04-13-2006
171. BSH 04-18-2006
172. PID 05-20-2006
173. JEL 05-20-2006
174. AFF 05-20-2006
175. WRW 05-21-2006
176. SAS 06-10-2006
177. JZ 06-10-2006
178. RRO 06-10-2006
179. GKC 07-11-2006
180. WMB 07-12-2006
181. DPM 08-17-2006
182. JCC 09-10-2006
183. WJF 09-10-2006
184. MC 10-14-2006
185. DAB 12-04-2006
186. SJP 12-04-2006
187. JJY 12-05-2006
188. RMR 12-07-2006
189. KRG 05-21-2007
190. LAK 05-21-2007
191. RDK 05-22-2007
192. AWG 05-24-2007
193. CC 08-21-2008
194. RK 08-21-2008
195. BM 08-21-2008
196. S 08-25-2008
197. DA 08-25-2008
198. VM 08-25-2008
199. DC 08-27-2008
 
Dalewho I would like to thank you for all of your information, well researched and well done. I personal think that we are going to lose alot of runs , through the loss of all of the canadian work. I work at yellow and the Buffalo terminal relies heavily on canadian freight coming across our dock. With Reimer taking over all of the canadian work that is going to be a big blow. Do you happen to know how much freight Reimer pulls into West Seneca now? Do you know where else Reimer runs their freight to? The way I read the change Toledo is closing as a breakbulk, so where will the freight go know? Alot of questions are left out there. By the way I couldn't open the link to the updated list of relays and primaries, maybe all of my questions would have been answeres there. Thanks again for your response. One last thing I am one of the lucky ones[ or unlucky ones] that will still be working after this is all over, with so maybe we will meet up out on the road one day.
 
tena said:
Dalewho I would like to thank you for all of your information, well researched and well done. I personal think that we are going to lose alot of runs , through the loss of all of the canadian work. I work at yellow and the Buffalo terminal relies heavily on canadian freight coming across our dock. With Reimer taking over all of the canadian work that is going to be a big blow. Do you happen to know how much freight Reimer pulls into West Seneca now? Do you know where else Reimer runs their freight to? The way I read the change Toledo is closing as a breakbulk, so where will the freight go know? Alot of questions are left out there.
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I really don't know too much about Reimer. They're in our place all the time. We bring the loads into West Seneca and they take 'm into Canada. Most of it is just that but I know they've been all over the place at times.
tena said:
By the way I couldn't open the link to the updated list of relays and primaries, maybe all of my questions would have been answeres there. Thanks again for your response.
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You need Adobe reader Adobe - Adobe Reader download - All versions or another pdf viewer. Most are the same but this one shows the overlays. There were small changes from the original list for a lot of other terminals. I'll put ours up here. in another post.
tena said:
One last thing I am one of the lucky ones[ or unlucky ones] that will still be working after this is all over, with so maybe we will meet up out on the road one day.
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You will. I made the cut, #40 on the fake list. I'll be one of the four stewards initially. Along with #54 and your two current.
 
wishy-washy said:
Dalwho didn't put that list together. I do know who did it though
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Your right it wasn't Dalwho it was Dalewho?

He musta broke in and posted it form my account and then left a blister on my index finger.

I know what you meant though, not that anyone couldn't have stuck the two lists together from our two, but in all fairness the list I posted from was derived form a list pre-meshed and given to me by the hall and it is still unofficial. I was told by Dan A. that it was put together by Dan G. Who knows?

So I did put that list together. Just not the one It was derived it from.
 
As of now Reimer teams are running to the 309(Chicago), 830(Bloomington Ca), 511(Dallas) and 671(Winston Salem) out of 222(Toronto) with company trucks running to 231(Buffalo) and 251(Toledo). After the change I understand, but it hasn't been confirmed that all of the Dallas and Cali freight will be taken to Chicago and be taken to destination by U.S. drivers from there. I haven't heard yet about the Charlotte loads, whether they are still going to be run by teams or into Buffalo and then through the system. As for the company trucks no one is being told anything yet. I'll keep you posted when they decide to let us know what is happening. As you all know this is going to happen March 1, and apparently they haven't figured out how the run the operation in Toronto yet. GO FIGURE!!!!!!!
 
Domiciled Drivers - Major relays where primary

Buffalo

135 HARRISBURG
198 ELMIRA
211 AKRON
309 CHICAGO
ANY ALBANY
BIG BINGHAMTON
CGB CHICAGO_RIDGE
DET DETROIT
IND INDIANAPOLIS
MBK MAYBROOK
RER ROCHESTER
SYR SYRACUSE

OVERLAYS (Buffalo city freight run into velocity or corridor)

Buffalo

241 CINCINNATI
COL COLUMBUS
CVE CLEVELAND
RFO RICHFIELD

Domiciled Drivers - Major relays where primary

Running to Buffalo

COL COLUMBUS
241 CINCINNATI
CLD COLDWATER
CVE/RFO CLEVELAND/RICHFIELD

Minor Road Board Primaries (End of the line terminals running into velocity or corridor)

Running to Buffalo

100 BOSTON
108 PROVIDENCE
180 BELLOWS FALLS
181 NASHUA
246 FORT WAYNE
251 TOLEDO
261 DETROIT
305 ELK GROVE
312 SOUTH BEND
318 CHICAGO WEST
BOS BOSTON
BVT BURLINGTON
CGN CHICAGO_NORTH
CGW CHICAGO_WEST
GPD GRAND_RAPIDS
NRM NORTH_READING
PME PORTLAND
SMS SPRINGFIELD
WST WORCESTER
 
Doubleclutcher said:
As of now Reimer teams are running to the 309(Chicago), 830(Bloomington Ca), 511(Dallas) and 671(Winston Salem) out of 222(Toronto) with company trucks running to 231(Buffalo) and 251(Toledo). After the change I understand, but it hasn't been confirmed that all of the Dallas and Cali freight will be taken to Chicago and be taken to destination by U.S. drivers from there. I haven't heard yet about the Charlotte loads, whether they are still going to be run by teams or into Buffalo and then through the system. As for the company trucks no one is being told anything yet. I'll keep you posted when they decide to let us know what is happening. As you all know this is going to happen March 1, and apparently they haven't figured out how the run the operation in Toronto yet. GO FIGURE!!!!!!!
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Thanks for that info. I usually only see the 222 freight that comes in and the company trucks.
 
wishy-washy said:
Dalwho didn't put that list together. I do know who did it though
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Oh geez, this would have save me some time typing. http://www.truckingboards.com/truck...dway-seniority-boards-buffalo.html#post462779 Maybe that's what you meant. Anyway, mine's nicer and you got my first initial wrong. I'm sure there are mistake on mine too. It makes you cross eyed after a while. Credit to Wishy for doing it first. Speaking of Wishy... I wish I knew that before, I would have just linked to it from the start.
 
Dalewho? said:
Oh geez, this would have save me some time typing. http://www.truckingboards.com/truck...dway-seniority-boards-buffalo.html#post462779 Maybe that's what you meant. Anyway, mine's nicer and you got my first initial wrong. I'm sure there are mistake on mine too. It makes you cross eyed after a while. Credit to Wishy for doing it first. Speaking of Wishy... I wish I knew that before, I would have just linked to it from the start.
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Now I'm quoting myself but I thought it was funny, I went back and looked at the list you posted and that wasn't my initial it was an "R" for Big R. :duh:
 
Road 449 - Lots of stuff still changing.

Company believes that as of 12/18/08 Roadway had 79 active Road drivers and Yellow had 103 active drivers.

Not sure what that means as far as job opportunities left in Buffalo after the dust settles. I've been told there are only 72 currently active at Yellow. Adding 5 only give you 77 active using current freight levels.

Anyway, we're back to -79 Roadway Buffalo and +5 Yellow Buffalo for a net of -74.

However, now Rochester will me added to the Buffalo metro group with their +9 making the group a net -65 for the pool bid.

So for those following along here, Buffalo will dovetail lists first then get first round on BUF +5 and RER +9 then master pool of -65 to whatever's left.
 
Dalewho? said:
Road 449 - Lots of stuff still changing.

Company believes that as of 12/18/08 Roadway had 79 active Road drivers and Yellow had 103 active drivers.

Not sure what that means as far as job opportunities left in Buffalo after the dust settles. I've been told there are only 72 currently active at Yellow. Adding 5 only give you 77 active using current freight levels.

Anyway, we're back to -79 Roadway Buffalo and +5 Yellow Buffalo for a net of -74.

However, now Rochester will me added to the Buffalo metro group with their +9 making the group a net -65 for the pool bid.

So for those following along here, Buffalo will dovetail lists first then get first round on BUF +5 and RER +9 then master pool of -65 to whatever's left.
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If the snapshot date is 12/18 and there were 103 active at Yellow, then the engineers determined the new YRC terminal would need 108 roadmen. This plus the ten jobs opening at ROC should be work for maybe....thinking out loud here....what are there?..ten on the list that aren't working or are expected to leave...could get down to #128 or 130.
 
These are not my words, just posting the info.:popcorn:


1) The merger of the Roadway and Yellow boards will take place first, both active and inactive and the top 85 drivers will be on the new active list for YRC.

2) Following the work to Rochester by the Buffalo Road Drivers will take place next. It is my understanding that if those positions do not fill totally fill, the bidding will be closed to Buffalo in the Pool bid. This is because everyone had an opportunity to follow their work. If all 9 bids to Rochester fill, then 64 drivers from Buffalo Road will have an opportunity to participate in the pool bid. This bid is tentatively scheduled to take place on February 14th 2009. The time and place will be forthcoming.

3) The drivers who transferred into Buffalo when the Roadway terminal was closed in North Lima, will have retreat rights before anyone else in the system. Any remaining positions left open in North Lima, will go into the pool bid.
 
As far as #2 goes. I do understand the companies argument but after all we've given I think we could have done better than this. This "follow your work" stuff has changed from you can follow your work to you must follow your work. What ever happened to seniority? Also in my opinion our work went to Maybrook more so than Rochester.
 
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