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Fly-by-night said:
No what I am saying is the ones that are buried in debt still spend at will. You, meaning everyone, have to ask yourself these questions. Could you maintain your current life style, meaning paying all the bill and putting food on the table, for 3 months without having an income?
Do you know were every dime of your money goes every week, month, and year? Is your mortgage 25% or less of your household take home pay? Do you invest a min of 15% to retirement?
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No sure what this has to do with compensation? If your saying that if people live within their means the company they won’t have to rely on being compensated correctly I think that’s with all due respect a lame argument.
I and many others live within our means and manage our money quite well. Cost of living continues to rise and we are also as an industry far behind what we should be paid .
 
TruckinGod77 said:
Try to find a job that offers 15 days off during your first year. Before I came here 15 years ago, I was paying more for insurance than I do now.
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We sure do get a good amount of comp time at LTL companies , attempting to use the days is a seperate issue , my 50 buck hour tradesman buddies get zero pay holidays and vacation
 
Fly-by-night said:
Then why per the article is the average American household credit debt over $6k and per the article that is any average of CC debt carried over month to month. There have been studies that have found that people spent more when they pay with a CC then they do with cash. You see more and more people that can't buy a soda out of a vending machine with cash. Hell even the girl scouts are taking CC for cookie sales. All most every major store has a CC hell even Apple has put out a CC called the Apple Card. They are a F'ing computer company. The one thing they know was the same thing Sears knew was you can make more money on CC interest then you will selling a product.
If you are caring over any CC debt month to month you are living beyond your means. Try paying cash for everything.
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I could not figure out why the sears card was 27% it scared away customers including me , it was a beautiful store
 
sucker666 said:
No sure what this has to do with compensation? If your saying that if people live within their means the company they won’t have to rely on being compensated correctly I think that’s with all due respect a lame argument.
I and many others live within our means and manage our money quite well. Cost of living continues to rise and we are also as an industry far behind what we should be paid .
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What do you base your statement that as a industry we are far behind what we should be paid? What other career can you do with out a college degree and make the money we do?
 
TruckinGod77 said:
What do you base your statement that as a industry we are far behind what we should be paid? What other career can you do with out a college degree and make the money we do?
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Do you know the Average hourly rate for American workers as a whole ? Do consider our work to be average with the responsibility, danger, licensing requirements and excessive hours ?
 
TruckinGod77 said:
https://fairygodboss.com/articles/average-salary-us-facts-statistics
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Ok , here is the chart from the US labor and statistics:
Economic News Release
CPS
CES


Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted
ESTABLISHMENT DATA
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted
Industry Average hourly earnings Average weekly earnings
Nov.
2018 Sept.
2019 Oct.
2019(P) Nov.
2019(P) Nov.
2018 Sept.
2019 Oct.
2019(P) Nov.
2019(P)
Total private

$27.43 $28.12 $28.22 $28.29 $943.59 $967.33 $970.77 $973.18
Goods-producing

28.49 29.21 29.28 29.38 1,145.30 1,183.01 1,177.06 1,181.08
Mining and logging

32.84 34.56 34.93 34.85 1,507.36 1,596.67 1,617.26 1,610.07
Construction

30.26 30.86 30.96 31.08 1,171.06 1,228.23 1,213.63 1,215.23
Manufacturing

27.24 27.90 27.95 28.05 1,111.39 1,129.95 1,129.18 1,136.03
Durable goods

28.71 29.36 29.41 29.53 1,179.98 1,203.76 1,199.93 1,207.78
Nondurable goods

24.71 25.37 25.44 25.50 993.34 1,009.73 1,007.42 1,012.35
Private service-providing

27.18 27.86 27.97 28.04 905.09 924.95 928.60 930.93
Trade, transportation, and utilities

23.63 24.39 24.44 24.53 815.24 834.14 835.85 836.47
Wholesale trade

30.82 31.62 31.71 31.82 1,201.98 1,230.02 1,236.69 1,240.98
Retail trade

19.07 19.84 19.87 19.91 589.26 609.09 608.02 607.26
Transportation and warehousing

24.40 24.99 25.00 25.09 954.04 959.62 960.00 963.46
Utilities

41.13 41.85 41.72 41.98 1,743.91 1,766.07 1,764.76 1,796.74
Information

41.02 42.07 42.13 42.29 1,480.82 1,535.56 1,533.53 1,535.13
Financial activities

35.31 36.06 36.15 36.23 1,327.66 1,352.25 1,362.86 1,369.49
Professional and business services

32.93 33.90 34.03 34.16 1,188.77 1,223.79 1,231.89 1,236.59
Education and health services

27.27 27.66 27.84 27.81 897.18 912.78 918.72 920.51
Leisure and hospitality

16.21 16.68 16.71 16.77 419.84 432.01 431.12 432.67
Other services

24.80 25.10 25.16 25.25 791.12 798.18 800.09 805.48

As you can see transportation as whole lags far behind the average for all industry at $28.29
 
TruckinGod77 said:
https://fairygodboss.com/articles/average-salary-us-facts-statistics
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[QUOTE="TruckinGod77, post: 1442164, member: I make above the average salary for the US. We have guys making 6 figures. There are lots of careers that require licensing, and working odd hours that make less then us. I have a family member that is a plumber, it took him 2 years to get licensed and now he plays in poop all day. Not glamorous but makes around what we do. I never got into driving to make a million dollars but I do have a comfortable middle class job. The job is way easier then it use to, air conditioning, satallite radios, cruise control just to name a few things that we didn't use to have. I make over $10 more on the hour then when I started here. I'm not saying its perfect job but it's not a bad gig. Try working on a farm, welding or unloading beverages all day. Way harder work I have done and made way less
 
sucker666 said:
Ok , here is the chart from the US labor and statistics:
Economic News Release
CPS
CES


Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted
ESTABLISHMENT DATA
Table B-3. Average hourly and weekly earnings of all employees on private nonfarm payrolls by industry sector, seasonally adjusted
Industry Average hourly earnings Average weekly earnings
Nov.
2018 Sept.
2019 Oct.
2019(P) Nov.
2019(P) Nov.
2018 Sept.
2019 Oct.
2019(P) Nov.
2019(P)
Total private

$27.43 $28.12 $28.22 $28.29 $943.59 $967.33 $970.77 $973.18
Goods-producing

28.49 29.21 29.28 29.38 1,145.30 1,183.01 1,177.06 1,181.08
Mining and logging

32.84 34.56 34.93 34.85 1,507.36 1,596.67 1,617.26 1,610.07
Construction

30.26 30.86 30.96 31.08 1,171.06 1,228.23 1,213.63 1,215.23
Manufacturing

27.24 27.90 27.95 28.05 1,111.39 1,129.95 1,129.18 1,136.03
Durable goods

28.71 29.36 29.41 29.53 1,179.98 1,203.76 1,199.93 1,207.78
Nondurable goods

24.71 25.37 25.44 25.50 993.34 1,009.73 1,007.42 1,012.35
Private service-providing

27.18 27.86 27.97 28.04 905.09 924.95 928.60 930.93
Trade, transportation, and utilities

23.63 24.39 24.44 24.53 815.24 834.14 835.85 836.47
Wholesale trade

30.82 31.62 31.71 31.82 1,201.98 1,230.02 1,236.69 1,240.98
Retail trade

19.07 19.84 19.87 19.91 589.26 609.09 608.02 607.26
Transportation and warehousing

24.40 24.99 25.00 25.09 954.04 959.62 960.00 963.46
Utilities

41.13 41.85 41.72 41.98 1,743.91 1,766.07 1,764.76 1,796.74
Information

41.02 42.07 42.13 42.29 1,480.82 1,535.56 1,533.53 1,535.13
Financial activities

35.31 36.06 36.15 36.23 1,327.66 1,352.25 1,362.86 1,369.49
Professional and business services

32.93 33.90 34.03 34.16 1,188.77 1,223.79 1,231.89 1,236.59
Education and health services

27.27 27.66 27.84 27.81 897.18 912.78 918.72 920.51
Leisure and hospitality

16.21 16.68 16.71 16.77 419.84 432.01 431.12 432.67
Other services

24.80 25.10 25.16 25.25 791.12 798.18 800.09 805.48

As you can see transportation as whole lags far behind the average for all industry at $28.29
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That's why I do ltl, it pays above the average
 
Remember if your basing what you make in total for a year other than hourly consider the guys who are working Lh work 70 hrs a week to make that 100k
 
TruckinGod77 said:
That's why I do ltl, it pays above the average
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Most of us at Xpo are making right at that overall average or a wee bit more per hour . I consider this a job that should pay somewhat more deserving than average compensation. That’s just my opinion.
If you look at transportation as a whole ( where I started this topic ) the industry lags behind. One only needs to look at the inability of the industry to recruit new hires . Most considering a trade don’t see the compensation worth the task .
 
I have a family member who’s a feeder driver for UPS . He’s in line to make 135k this year working about 55 hours a week! Don’t forget he does not pay a dime for insurance and has a fully paid pension. Just saying.
A city driver for Xpo can make 90k working similar hours , hauling Hazmat, which he does not and touch a bunch more freight . Plus has to contribute to his healthcare and retirement.

One can see where this industry has room for improvements.
 
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sucker666 said:
Most of us at Xpo are making right at that overall average or a wee bit more per hour . I consider this a job that should pay somewhat more deserving than average compensation. That’s just my opinion.
If you look at transportation as a whole ( where I started this topic ) the industry lags behind. One only needs to look at the inability of the industry to recruit new hires . Most considering a trade don’t see the compensation worth the task .
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The the freight still gets delivered so it can't be a shortage of drivers. If there was a true shortage pay and bennies would go up, supply and demand
 
sucker666 said:
I have a family member who’s a feeder driver for UPS . He’s in line to make 135k this year working about 55 hours a week! Don’t forget he does not pay a dime for insurance and has a fully paid pension. Just saying.
A city driver for Xpo can make 90k working similar hours , hauling Hazmat, which he does not and touch a bunch more freight . Plus has to contribute to his healthcare and retirement.

One can see where this industry has room for improvements.
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Xpo could pay $150,00, top of the line insurance and retirement and guys would still say they deserve more. The more expensive you make yourself, the harder and quicker companies will try to replace you with something cheaper. Look at McDonalds or grocery stores having self ordering or checkouts
 
TruckinGod77 said:
The the freight still gets delivered so it can't be a shortage of drivers. If there was a true shortage pay and bennies would go up, supply and demand
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That's not how it works in practice. Supply and demand curves, graphs, and theory are only tools. They are not laws. This is super important to understand. Similarly high debt does not always mean people are making poor decisions.

This simplistic explanation and rationalizing of complex issues is deeply wrong.

I have a book recommendation if the veracity of these ideas is something anyone is actually concerned with. It's a short, easy read and while it is not exhaustive it is well written and well argued.

https://www.tribunusplebis.net/book...nd-the-rise-of-inequality-by-james-kwak-5j2cx
 
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sucker666 said:
I have a family member who’s a feeder driver for UPS . He’s in line to make 135k this year working about 55 hours a week! Don’t forget he does not pay a dime for insurance and has a fully paid pension. Just saying.
A city driver for Xpo can make 90k working similar hours , hauling Hazmat, which he does not and touch a bunch more freight . Plus has to contribute to his healthcare and retirement.

One can see where this industry has room for improvements.
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Exactly driver ! I agree with you . There are so many drivers in here that don’t have a clue . If XPO would give us great ins that would make this job great . Guys don’t see how much money they are paying in ins . With weekly deductions & high co pays .
 
The few newbies we can attract are guys for example used to be greeters at Walmart making 11.00 an hr. They are thrilled with their new hourly rate and have very low expectations from their employer. They do not have any idea of where wages should be and our just thrilled Xpo hired them. They are green to the job industry and it’s traps and pitfalls .
They fill a need even if it’s temporary for the employer.

Now let me be clear . (I can already here it) that is not a dig against the person in the example I used . I’m merely trying to point out the fact that this is lowering the standard and compensation will follow suit if we take the attitude that nothing needs improving.
 
sucker666 said:
The few newbies we can attract are guys for example used to be greeters at Walmart making 11.00 an hr. They are thrilled with their new hourly rate and have very low expectations from their employer. They do not have any idea of where wages should be and our just thrilled Xpo hired them. They are green to the job industry and it’s traps and pitfalls .
They fill a need even if it’s temporary for the employer.

Now let me be clear . (I can already here it) that is not a dig against the person in the example I used . I’m merely trying to point out the fact that this is lowering the standard and compensation will follow suit if we take the attitude that nothing needs improving.
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Xpo can hire whoever they want and pay them what they want and nothing any of us can do about it
 
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