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FedEx Freight | Real Talk: How is the Union going to get you what you want?

George Knighton said:
Are you a fan of 1/2 hr hook 1/2 hr drop and 1/2hr drop and hook together.? I drive in the city. But these times seem reasonable, no?

Are you a fan of a start time that is really only a start time if they are ready for you? Please go into more detail...

otherwise you set for 29 minutes (funny how that happens) before being compensated. Anyway maybe some of us would like to see the benifits we were told that we would get to keep before the big "merger". We were also told that those of us who stayed would be, I believe the words used were "grandfathered in" for the benefits we had at that time. It would also be nice to have better health care again.
Please go into detail as to what you were promised...

The real pension plan back in place of this new portable pension. What is wrong with the portable pension we have now?


Annual pay increases without annual health insurance increases.
We have always gotten annual increases. Health care has risen every single year as well. What are you wanting exactly?

The problem is we had nothing in writing and we currently have nothing in writing.
What are you wanting in writing? I am confused by this...
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Typical management spins, playing dumb on simple questions. The masters of deception ...
What they want in writing is a CBA! And what they are wanting for their health care is something affordable. how much money did Mr Smith make? I'll tell you .. His total compensation hit 14.1 million in the year ending May 31, that was up about 12 percent from last year.
 
George Knighton said:
I see a lot of talk about these topics so I am curious as to how the Union will help?

Attendance.
I am a fan of the 180 day rolling attendance. I don't see how it can get any better?

Safety.
I think the latest scorecard is fair, no? If you don't think so then How would YOU want it to be laid out?

Pay
When I applied at competitive companies, FedEx had better wages...

Accountable
If you misload a shipment / drop trailer / ect, a steward won't save us from getting written up. Everyone is held accountable.
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Ugh... I could have swore I covered this, but here I go again.

Attendance. I have no issues as far as points, but when you have 10 drivers sitting at home and you ask for the night off and they say it will be a occurrence THAT'S B.S.! Also why to we have personal time if it counts against us. THEN IT'S NOT PERSONAL TIME ITS EXTRA VACATION!

Safety. The scorecard is to low! One wreck and your disqualified! Oh and the only reason RCH driver was brought back was 50 percent of drivers signed cards in less than a week! Also I have zero points so I'm not some whiny driver about to be disqualified.

Pay. You must have applied at central transport or volunteer. O.D. UPSF,CONWAY, R&L, SOUTHEASTERN make more on hr than us in my area. Mileage we are about the same. In my opinion our city is underpaid due to the standards and stress FedEx puts them under.

Accountable. My ass stays cover 24/7, but I pray FedEx trys to fire me for something going wrong in hand held. These things freeze up and go down all the time and I have seen 2 drivers fired for wrong tasks. Please fire me for that! Cha ching is all I can say!
 
George Knighton said:
I see a lot of talk about these topics so I am curious as to how the Union will help?

Attendance.
I am a fan of the 180 day rolling attendance. I don't see how it can get any better?

Safety.
I think the latest scorecard is fair, no? If you don't think so then How would YOU want it to be laid out?

Pay
When I applied at competitive companies, FedEx had better wages...

Accountable
If you misload a shipment / drop trailer / ect, a steward won't save us from getting written up. Everyone is held accountable.
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This ain't real talk this is what they brained washed you with... Real talk is when you've been here for as long as most of us and you see how the company treats you like scum... Doesn't care about what goes on in your life,because all they revolve around is numbers! Deliver the purple promise and sooner or later you will receive a lashing from dumb BS and believe me you will wish you was represented! That right there buddy is real talk!
 
George Knighton said:
Don't come crying when you sign away your rights!
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What rights will I sign away? The right to be fired for bs, the right to get a raise that does not even cover the cost of the insurance increase, the right to slowly make less then other ltl carriers doing the same job, the right to be talked to like we are children, then told when something goes wrong we are held to a higher standard because we are professionals. Damn I sure am going to miss all those rights.
 
So much ignorance/misinformation yet such little time...Let's break down these questions one by one. I know this person is trying to get a rise out of some folks and more than likely is one the 'brick wall' personalities I encounter on a day to day basis but I'm gonna give this a shot. I'll be using only facts and first hand information.


George Knighton said:
I see a lot of talk about these topics so I am curious as to how the Union will help?

Attendance.
I am a fan of the 180 day rolling attendance. I don't see how it can get any better?

Safety.
I think the latest scorecard is fair, no? If you don't think so then How would YOU want it to be laid out?

Pay
When I applied at competitive companies, FedEx had better wages...

Accountable
If you misload a shipment / drop trailer / ect, a steward won't save us from getting written up. Everyone is held accountable.
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How will the Teamsters help? They will meet with FedEx and both parties are to bring forth "Good Faith", meaning FedEx can not put anything less than we currently have on the table as far as economical items (pay/insurances/pension/401k). The Teamsters also can not come to the table with outrageous demands. "Good Faith"

Attendance- I feel the current policy is fair aside from legitimate medical and/or family emergencies. In which case, you are subject to corrective action should you suffer a gross emergency. It's immoral and borderline illegal. When you work for FedEx, your life should revolve around FedEx and you are not entitled to have emergencies. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I work to live, not the other way around.

Safety- This new scorecard is designed to save face and purge senior drivers. They'd rather wash their hands of a good driver and throw him/her under the bus to seek public approval instead of backing up that driver should it be an honest to goodness accident or of no fault at all to the driver. I've personally seen this scenario played out at NHS. They threw a 20yr safe driver under the bus to wash their hands of liability, even in the face of multiple corroborating witnesses making the driver's 'not-at-fault' stance ironclad. Then in the same year a rookie driver fresh out of the apprentice program has a severe single vehicle (he was the only vehicle/person involved) accident but still has a job. That's fair to you, right? *hint of sarcasm*

Pay- This isn't even on my radar personally but I'm sure it is to those drivers in higher cost of living areas than I am in but I am at the second highest pay scale and they are at the lowest. The pay issue is not about the amount, it is about the uniformity.

Accountability- You as a driver have a pile of rules a mile high to live up to and the slightest slip up results in a coaching or corrective action. Management makes an oversight and all is well. Also fair, right? *another sprinkle of sarcasm*

George Knighton said:
I fine with our pension.

I think our health care is great. Try working for another company!

What bs discipline?

I am not a FedEx fanboy, I honestly don't believe the Union will do us any good...
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Fine with you pension? Hah! I suggest you log into the PPA aka Porto-Potty-Account and find out what you're gonna be entitled to. You may be surprised, in the negative sense. FedEx corporate pension went down the drain with the introduction of the Portable Pension Account around 2006. They are putting in 1/6th of what they use to. Must be budget cuts to pay for upper management bonuses and salaries. After all, they deserve it. *should've ran out of sarcasm by now but haven't*

Healthcare- I elected the Premium plan this year as opposed to the consumer crap plan to keep the exact same deductables, %'s, and co-insurance. Even with the introduction of the health spending account that they put in place, my premiums went up 520% to cover a 3.7% tax paid to the affordable healthcare act. We pay 520% more because they had to shell out 3.7%...sure. See my thread from last year that breaks down all these numbers and triple check my figures. The quality of our healthcare is declining while the cost is rising. Educate yourself. I can't wait to see how much of this big raise is cancelled out by rising healthcare costs.

Discipline is handed out A La Carte at the major hubs. Management picks and chooses who is punished by what rule, and when, and to what degree. I wish I worked at one of the smaller centers where some drivers exclaim they're still treated like humans and things are handled fairly across the board.

Lay out some facts as to why the Teamsters wouldn't do us any good and I will be more than happy to correct your next batch of misinformation and naivety. If you work at a smaller terminal where everything is sunshine and rainbows, I salute you. But if that truly is the case, let us guys getting crapped on handle our business our way and you can handle your own, since you work at the Harrison Utopia.

George Knighton said:
Attendance - what's wrong with taking a couple points? They roll off after 180 days. Do you call out that much?

I don't know the RCH driver but I heard at my barn it was brought back, correct?

Have you applied for ups? My son makes a lot more than me being an electrician...I almost thought about applying for that. See where I am going..

I have seen more red shirts get fired than drivers...so that is bunk.
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The RCH driver was brought back at the onset of the union scare vis a vis revisions to the driver scorecard.

Go be an electrician, then you'll be a Professional in that area with better pay. UPSF starts lower than we do but takes four years to attain top rate. FedEx is kind of unique in the way that you make top rate after only one year.

I have seen equal amounts of drivers get canned in relation to members of 'leadership'. This is at the 2nd highest bill count facility in the FXFE system, YMMV.

George Knighton said:
Lunch violations? Lol. Can't take your lunch before your sixth hour? Why wait?!? Sounds self inflicted. I set my alarm for the 5th hour every day. never had a violation. That simple!

Don't drink and drive....YOU ARE A PROFESSIONAL DRIVER.

act like one
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Lunch violations are just severely petty things that industrial engineers making six figures decided looked really good on a computer screen and enable supervisors to get on a power trip about petty garbage.

Get fired for a DUI. We are, after all, professionals.
Remember my reference to being a professional electrician? Let's compare apples to apples. Let's say you are using your electrician skills on your off time and something semi catostrophic happens. Are you stripped of your job because you made a mistake in judgement when wiring your buddy's new washer and dryer lines causing a couple thousand in fire damage? You would be, after all, a professional and held to a higher standard in the electrician community. Correct?


George Knighton said:
Miss a week = 2 points
Child get sick / 1 day = 1 ppoint
Auto accident / 1 day = 1point

I count four points?
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This is all up to management/hub discretion, sorry to let you in on that one.

George Knighton said:
Lol.

I haven't seen one argument yet but you say the truth....okay.

I would suggest that you folks get on the FedEx intranet and READ! I can tell you folks don't know policies about FedEx and you should. Now you want s third party to come in? I wonder how much research y'all will do on them.

I am a driver and will FIGHT to keep them out of my wallet!!!
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At our center, the only computer we had access to as drivers was conveniently down for six months. When asking a member of leadership for a copy of the employee/driver manual, you'd get some severely ridiculous excuse about 'they're low on paper' or 'ask later when they're not busy' or 'we'll look into that'.

What's so wrong with third party representation? FedEx doesn't move freight without a contract with the customer. Why is it too much for drivers to ask for a contract from FedEx? Speaking of third parties, we would have a say as to how much work is outsourced on PT's and the rail. You probably don't care about that since you seem to be a city driver. Selfish...most anti union people have selfish motives. Loss of favoritism, don't see how it may benefit them but watch as co workers get railroaded out of jobs and road drivers sitting at home while Norfolk Southern and an endless list of substandard third party carriers haul our freight. Maybe you might care if they started contracting out P&D work. smh

Fight to keep them out of your wallet? Were you this passionate when we got our wallets ***** for last years premium/benefits hike? I highly doubt it. Did you even attend the presentation they held? It was also given by a third party firm. They dodged all my questions, even when I spelled it out so a kindergartener could understand my math...all while the naive sheep ate it up and looked at me like I had three heads.

...to be contiued...cut off by character limit...
 
George Knighton said:
Are you a fan of 1/2 hr hook 1/2 hr drop and 1/2hr drop and hook together.? I drive in the city. But these times seem reasonable, no?

Are you a fan of a start time that is really only a start time if they are ready for you? Please go into more detail...

otherwise you set for 29 minutes (funny how that happens) before being compensated. Anyway maybe some of us would like to see the benifits we were told that we would get to keep before the big "merger". We were also told that those of us who stayed would be, I believe the words used were "grandfathered in" for the benefits we had at that time. It would also be nice to have better health care again.
Please go into detail as to what you were promised...

The real pension plan back in place of this new portable pension. What is wrong with the portable pension we have now?


Annual pay increases without annual health insurance increases.
We have always gotten annual increases. Health care has risen every single year as well. What are you wanting exactly?

The problem is we had nothing in writing and we currently have nothing in writing.
What are you wanting in writing? I am confused by this...
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What if they started paying you "Stop Time". You only get paid X amount of minutes per stop? Maybe then you'd care. This is the problem with nay sayers. It boils down to selfishness. I'm getting so disgusted breaking down this information for you so it's in an easy to digest, spoon fed form. Were you an only child? WTF dude?

Many of our raises didn't even keep up with the rate of inflation...meaning we have essentially lost money due to the fact that the price of everything has gone upwards disproportionately to our so-called 'raises'. Do you not follow financial news? Apparently not if you are 'fine with our pension'.

We want rules that are ironclad. Not rules that apply to one guy but not another and yet are treated in a completely different manner than even another co-worker. An end to hub/management discretion.

George Knighton said:
What hoops? It is easy process.
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You were referring to FMLA. I know for a fact that you didn't go through the process and if you did, you must've been having some steamy relations with an HR director in Harrison. As mentioned by another poster, the hoops you are made to jump through for FMLA are borderline illegal and downright unethical. Busted on that one, fanboy.

George Knighton said:
Don't come crying when you sign away your rights!
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When you sign a union card? All that means is that you feel that your facility should have a right to a vote as to whether you and your co-workers need representation. Guys who sign cards can ultimately vote no and guys who didn't sign a card can ultimately vote yes. Go peddle that company/anti-union filth somewhere else where there are folks that are more uneducated and gullible than you are.

George Knighton said:
No, I am curious as how the union is going to get YOU what you want. I do not want one. I feel there isnt a need for one. Everytime I debate someone in my barn, they run away....
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I don't run but I do walk away from people all the time. Ever heard the phrase 'There's no rationalizing with an irrational person'? If you think that applies to everyone you debate, perhaps you should look at the common denominator.

Bounce69 said:
I see a lot of educated guesses and uneducated replies. Need to keep one thing in mind, if we go union - the first thing that Fred is going to go for is "the right to manage". Former company was non-union and then became union - only changes I saw was me paying 15% out every month for someone to eat donuts monthly.

" These prerogatives generally reflect the inherent right of management to manage. They afford management the ability to control the enterprise by directing its workforce, determining the means and methods of operation, and, in short, exercising all the rights necessary to effectively and efficiently run the business."
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Ugh, I'm so out of patience for the ignorance that is spewed on this board and not even justifying a response to this guy. Management discretion will be maintained...we won't need a new contract if FXFE decides to go with Peterbilts instead of KW's but they can not bend PT/rail numbers at their discretion. Exercise some common sense, think about what you're about to say long and hard before you spew misinformation. Google is a powerful thing, do some research and don't just run with the first tidbit of fact you find on some extreme right wing OR left wing policy.

Think for yourselves, don't rely on others to think for you. Weigh your options. Only you know what is best for you and yours. If you think this company has the driver's (YOUR) best interest at heart, you are the reason why I lose hope on a daily basis for mankind. If this company were not scared of a union coming in, they would not be pouring (on average) seven million dollars a year into anti-union firms and campaigns. If they truly had our best interests at heart, they would have no fear of the Teamsters. They're putting up a fight for a reason. Think about it folks.

I've tried to keep my mouth shut but some people's ignorance infuriates me. It's almost laughable, yet sad, that some people actually believe the manure that steadily flows from their own oral cavity.

/rant
 
George Knighton said:
No points are being made though...

Please go back to my first post. Please tell me how the UNION is going to make these things better for you? I am curious.
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Dude I can smell you a mile away.Your not one of the real workers here,You drew first blood.Read your dumb azz remarks.Enough said on this post.
 
renegade169 said:
So much ignorance/misinformation yet such little time...Let's break down these questions one by one. I know this person is trying to get a rise out of some folks and more than likely is one the 'brick wall' personalities I encounter on a day to day basis but I'm gonna give this a shot. I'll be using only facts and first hand information.




How will the Teamsters help? They will meet with FedEx and both parties are to bring forth "Good Faith", meaning FedEx can not put anything less than we currently have on the table as far as economical items (pay/insurances/pension/401k). The Teamsters also can not come to the table with outrageous demands. "Good Faith"
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You can't even get past the first question without disguising your opinion as fact. NLRB has not historically utilized your definition of "GOOD FAITH"...see current RETL/YRC Regional contract as an example of folks walking away with less than they had before they were union.

renegade169 said:
Pay- This isn't even on my radar personally but I'm sure it is to those drivers in higher cost of living areas than I am in but I am at the second highest pay scale and they are at the lowest. The pay issue is not about the amount, it is about the uniformity.
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More opinion presented as fact. Union contracts don't give everybody with the same time in and job description the same wage. They can vary within the same general regional area.

Why should the guy who lives in the Bay area be forced to commute hours everyday and live a minimalist lifestyle on the same wage that his brother in Baton Rouge is living like a king? Wages should be based on cost of living in that area and what the regional employment market dictates. Why do you think McDonald's is paying more than $15/hr in North Dakota and $7/hr in Atlanta? Should they both me making $7? Why do both deserve $15?

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At our center, the only computer we had access to as drivers was conveniently down for six months. When asking a member of leadership for a copy of the employee/driver manual, you'd get some severely ridiculous excuse about 'they're low on paper' or 'ask later when they're not busy' or 'we'll look into that'.
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That speaks volumes about your victim mentality / employer shall provide. You obviously have a computer and access to the internet. Look up whatever information you want.
 
renegade169 said:
What if they started paying you "Stop Time". You only get paid X amount of minutes per stop? Maybe then you'd care. This is the problem with nay sayers. It boils down to selfishness. I'm getting so disgusted breaking down this information for you so it's in an easy to digest, spoon fed form. Were you an only child? WTF dude?

Many of our raises didn't even keep up with the rate of inflation...meaning we have essentially lost money due to the fact that the price of everything has gone upwards disproportionately to our so-called 'raises'. Do you not follow financial news? Apparently not if you are 'fine with our pension'.

We want rules that are ironclad. Not rules that apply to one guy but not another and yet are treated in a completely different manner than even another co-worker. An end to hub/management discretion.



You were referring to FMLA. I know for a fact that you didn't go through the process and if you did, you must've been having some steamy relations with an HR director in Harrison. As mentioned by another poster, the hoops you are made to jump through for FMLA are borderline illegal and downright unethical. Busted on that one, fanboy.



When you sign a union card? All that means is that you feel that your facility should have a right to a vote as to whether you and your co-workers need representation. Guys who sign cards can ultimately vote no and guys who didn't sign a card can ultimately vote yes. Go peddle that company/anti-union filth somewhere else where there are folks that are more uneducated and gullible than you are.



I don't run but I do walk away from people all the time. Ever heard the phrase 'There's no rationalizing with an irrational person'? If you think that applies to everyone you debate, perhaps you should look at the common denominator.



Ugh, I'm so out of patience for the ignorance that is spewed on this board and not even justifying a response to this guy. Management discretion will be maintained...we won't need a new contract if FXFE decides to go with Peterbilts instead of KW's but they can not bend PT/rail numbers at their discretion. Exercise some common sense, think about what you're about to say long and hard before you spew misinformation. Google is a powerful thing, do some research and don't just run with the first tidbit of fact you find on some extreme right wing OR left wing policy.

Think for yourselves, don't rely on others to think for you. Weigh your options. Only you know what is best for you and yours. If you think this company has the driver's (YOUR) best interest at heart, you are the reason why I lose hope on a daily basis for mankind. If this company were not scared of a union coming in, they would not be pouring (on average) seven million dollars a year into anti-union firms and campaigns. If they truly had our best interests at heart, they would have no fear of the Teamsters. They're putting up a fight for a reason. Think about it folks.

I've tried to keep my mouth shut but some people's ignorance infuriates me. It's almost laughable, yet sad, that some people actually believe the manure that steadily flows from their own oral cavity.

/rant
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GET OUTTA MY COFFE POT!!! Lol good points 169
 
renegade169 said:
What if they started paying you "Stop Time". You only get paid X amount of minutes per stop? Maybe then you'd care. This is the problem with nay sayers. It boils down to selfishness. I'm getting so disgusted breaking down this information for you so it's in an easy to digest, spoon fed form. Were you an only child? WTF dude?

Many of our raises didn't even keep up with the rate of inflation...meaning we have essentially lost money due to the fact that the price of everything has gone upwards disproportionately to our so-called 'raises'. Do you not follow financial news? Apparently not if you are 'fine with our pension'.

We want rules that are ironclad. Not rules that apply to one guy but not another and yet are treated in a completely different manner than even another co-worker. An end to hub/management discretion.



You were referring to FMLA. I know for a fact that you didn't go through the process and if you did, you must've been having some steamy relations with an HR director in Harrison. As mentioned by another poster, the hoops you are made to jump through for FMLA are borderline illegal and downright unethical. Busted on that one, fanboy.



When you sign a union card? All that means is that you feel that your facility should have a right to a vote as to whether you and your co-workers need representation. Guys who sign cards can ultimately vote no and guys who didn't sign a card can ultimately vote yes. Go peddle that company/anti-union filth somewhere else where there are folks that are more uneducated and gullible than you are.



I don't run but I do walk away from people all the time. Ever heard the phrase 'There's no rationalizing with an irrational person'? If you think that applies to everyone you debate, perhaps you should look at the common denominator.



Ugh, I'm so out of patience for the ignorance that is spewed on this board and not even justifying a response to this guy. Management discretion will be maintained...we won't need a new contract if FXFE decides to go with Peterbilts instead of KW's but they can not bend PT/rail numbers at their discretion. Exercise some common sense, think about what you're about to say long and hard before you spew misinformation. Google is a powerful thing, do some research and don't just run with the first tidbit of fact you find on some extreme right wing OR left wing policy.

Think for yourselves, don't rely on others to think for you. Weigh your options. Only you know what is best for you and yours. If you think this company has the driver's (YOUR) best interest at heart, you are the reason why I lose hope on a daily basis for mankind. If this company were not scared of a union coming in, they would not be pouring (on average) seven million dollars a year into anti-union firms and campaigns. If they truly had our best interests at heart, they would have no fear of the Teamsters. They're putting up a fight for a reason. Think about it folks.

I've tried to keep my mouth shut but some people's ignorance infuriates me. It's almost laughable, yet sad, that some people actually believe the manure that steadily flows from their own oral cavity.

/rant
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Renegatde. thanks for posting this! I read some of the George Knighton and Bounce69 posts on my phone earlier and couldn't wait to get home and type suitable reply... THANK YOU for saving me many keystrokes. :clapping: I owe you a beer, if/when we meet.


Well said!
 
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renegade169 said:
So much ignorance/misinformation yet such little time...Let's break down these questions one by one. I know this person is trying to get a rise out of some folks and more than likely is one the 'brick wall' personalities I encounter on a day to day basis but I'm gonna give this a shot. I'll be using only facts and first hand information.




How will the Teamsters help? They will meet with FedEx and both parties are to bring forth "Good Faith", meaning FedEx can not put anything less than we currently have on the table as far as economical items (pay/insurances/pension/401k). The Teamsters also can not come to the table with outrageous demands. "Good Faith"

Attendance- I feel the current policy is fair aside from legitimate medical and/or family emergencies. In which case, you are subject to corrective action should you suffer a gross emergency. It's immoral and borderline illegal. When you work for FedEx, your life should revolve around FedEx and you are not entitled to have emergencies. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I work to live, not the other way around.

Safety- This new scorecard is designed to save face and purge senior drivers. They'd rather wash their hands of a good driver and throw him/her under the bus to seek public approval instead of backing up that driver should it be an honest to goodness accident or of no fault at all to the driver. I've personally seen this scenario played out at NHS. They threw a 20yr safe driver under the bus to wash their hands of liability, even in the face of multiple corroborating witnesses making the driver's 'not-at-fault' stance ironclad. Then in the same year a rookie driver fresh out of the apprentice program has a severe single vehicle (he was the only vehicle/person involved) accident but still has a job. That's fair to you, right? *hint of sarcasm*

Pay- This isn't even on my radar personally but I'm sure it is to those drivers in higher cost of living areas than I am in but I am at the second highest pay scale and they are at the lowest. The pay issue is not about the amount, it is about the uniformity.

Accountability- You as a driver have a pile of rules a mile high to live up to and the slightest slip up results in a coaching or corrective action. Management makes an oversight and all is well. Also fair, right? *another sprinkle of sarcasm*



Fine with you pension? Hah! I suggest you log into the PPA aka Porto-Potty-Account and find out what you're gonna be entitled to. You may be surprised, in the negative sense. FedEx corporate pension went down the drain with the introduction of the Portable Pension Account around 2006. They are putting in 1/6th of what they use to. Must be budget cuts to pay for upper management bonuses and salaries. After all, they deserve it. *should've ran out of sarcasm by now but haven't*

Healthcare- I elected the Premium plan this year as opposed to the consumer crap plan to keep the exact same deductables, %'s, and co-insurance. Even with the introduction of the health spending account that they put in place, my premiums went up 520% to cover a 3.7% tax paid to the affordable healthcare act. We pay 520% more because they had to shell out 3.7%...sure. See my thread from last year that breaks down all these numbers and triple check my figures. The quality of our healthcare is declining while the cost is rising. Educate yourself. I can't wait to see how much of this big raise is cancelled out by rising healthcare costs.

Discipline is handed out A La Carte at the major hubs. Management picks and chooses who is punished by what rule, and when, and to what degree. I wish I worked at one of the smaller centers where some drivers exclaim they're still treated like humans and things are handled fairly across the board.

Lay out some facts as to why the Teamsters wouldn't do us any good and I will be more than happy to correct your next batch of misinformation and naivety. If you work at a smaller terminal where everything is sunshine and rainbows, I salute you. But if that truly is the case, let us guys getting crapped on handle our business our way and you can handle your own, since you work at the Harrison Utopia.



The RCH driver was brought back at the onset of the union scare vis a vis revisions to the driver scorecard.

Go be an electrician, then you'll be a Professional in that area with better pay. UPSF starts lower than we do but takes four years to attain top rate. FedEx is kind of unique in the way that you make top rate after only one year.

I have seen equal amounts of drivers get canned in relation to members of 'leadership'. This is at the 2nd highest bill count facility in the FXFE system, YMMV.



Lunch violations are just severely petty things that industrial engineers making six figures decided looked really good on a computer screen and enable supervisors to get on a power trip about petty garbage.

Get fired for a DUI. We are, after all, professionals.
Remember my reference to being a professional electrician? Let's compare apples to apples. Let's say you are using your electrician skills on your off time and something semi catostrophic happens. Are you stripped of your job because you made a mistake in judgement when wiring your buddy's new washer and dryer lines causing a couple thousand in fire damage? You would be, after all, a professional and held to a higher standard in the electrician community. Correct?




This is all up to management/hub discretion, sorry to let you in on that one.



At our center, the only computer we had access to as drivers was conveniently down for six months. When asking a member of leadership for a copy of the employee/driver manual, you'd get some severely ridiculous excuse about 'they're low on paper' or 'ask later when they're not busy' or 'we'll look into that'.

What's so wrong with third party representation? FedEx doesn't move freight without a contract with the customer. Why is it too much for drivers to ask for a contract from FedEx? Speaking of third parties, we would have a say as to how much work is outsourced on PT's and the rail. You probably don't care about that since you seem to be a city driver. Selfish...most anti union people have selfish motives. Loss of favoritism, don't see how it may benefit them but watch as co workers get railroaded out of jobs and road drivers sitting at home while Norfolk Southern and an endless list of substandard third party carriers haul our freight. Maybe you might care if they started contracting out P&D work. smh

Fight to keep them out of your wallet? Were you this passionate when we got our wallets ***** for last years premium/benefits hike? I highly doubt it. Did you even attend the presentation they held? It was also given by a third party firm. They dodged all my questions, even when I spelled it out so a kindergartener could understand my math...all while the naive sheep ate it up and looked at me like I had three heads.

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Great points!
 
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George Knighton said:
No, I am curious as how the union is going to get YOU what you want. I do not want one. I feel there isnt a need for one. Everytime I debate someone in my barn, they run away....
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If the union makes it in your barn you don't have to join you have that right...so quit your crying about i don't want them in my wallet just go on about your business and keep playing with the red shirts they'll take care of you it's not what you know its who you blow..
 
EX396 said:
That speaks volumes about your victim mentality / employer shall provide. You obviously have a computer and access to the internet. Look up whatever information you want.
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Our INTRANET is not on the INTERNET you mental deficient.

Enough is enough, I've tolerated the endless supply of fecal matter from your phallus holster. It was semi entertaining at one time but now it's just getting plain ridiculous. I'm gonna have to follow my own advice and put you on ignore. Damn vulture.
 
SID said:
Its hard to get fired with a union. The way it is now guys are getting fired for lunch violations and any trumped up charges they can find. I know a teamster who got a DUI. They couldn't fire him. They had to give him a full time dock position. Strength for the workers.
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thats bull
 
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