Another Oak H Blunder

Discussion in 'Oak Harbor' started by foster1662, Mar 25, 2009.

  1. JC55X

    JC55X New Member

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    Who pays the strike fund? You. Whose dues will most likely increase because of the strike fund depletion, yours.

    When i say profit, I mean they "at times" use strikes to prove their worth. To prove that dues you pay are for a reason. If all the union did was show up and negotiate your contract every 3 years, I'm sure you find little use for them.

    So they need the issues between employer and employee to justify their existance. Using disproved ULP charges is just one of many tactics used to justify taking your money. They profit, because they have convinced all of you that the charges were true. Therefore they keep earning money from your dues. But now they have been disproven. Will you ask for your money back? Probably not, and therefore, the union profits.
     
  2. Fthemwithasmile

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    Stop saying something that is untrue. You do it over and over even when the post right before yours points it out. Most of the ULP's from the Union were deemed to have merit. They were not disproven as you state. Just like airhorn said but you keep coming back to the same thing spouting the same lies. You have no credibility.
     
  3. JC55X

    JC55X New Member

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    No one pointed anything that I have said to be untrue.

    If it is untrue, point me to where it says that, FACTUALLY not with your opinion. The strike purpose was deemed to have merit as an ULP strike, but the charges were deemed unfounded by the NLRB. Which is why the Union brought you all back to work with no charge against the company.

    Again, if I am wrong prove it. The only thing that was pointed out by previous posts was that the union employees get to come back after the strike. That would have happened regardless, and that is not the reason you went on strike. The reasons you went on strike (Unfair Labor Practice), all came back with no merit.
     
  4. truckchick1

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    They did not use this strike to "prove their worth". All of us have been working for ohfl without a contract for about 18 months. They keep saying it all takes time. How come the big boys can settle a contract before it is due?
    Also we have been working under the conditions of the ULP's. Runarounds, ignoring senority, our pension is part of the wages we negotiated in our last contract as well as the H & W benefits. Went and refilled prescriptions on the companies great plan and it will cost my family more than $50extra a month. So you see it is all take away from the company. Nothing gained on our side. Yes I want the union to stay after the vp's until we get a decent contract we can all live with.
     
  5. JC55X

    JC55X New Member

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    I can understand the added cost to your family. It sucks, no one wants to see added costs. But it happens, in every company and every industry. Should the company bear all of the cost, and still improve your lifestyle?

    Or can a company's employees help the long term profitability of the company by sharing in the costs?

    Unfortunately, it sounds like the majority on here believe the company should shoulder all of the costs, and the employees should gain. It simply cannot work that way.

    This is a very broad view. I do feel for you and the increased cost, but his is not isolated to evil owners of Oak harbor. look around, the economy is tanking and company's as well as people need to adjust their budgets for increased costs. You can't just say, "I've never had to pay this, so i won't now" It's not realistic.

    Nothing personal, but I'm truly starting to feel like no one gets me, or what it is I'm trying to say. Maybe I'm a bad writer??

    Good thing I drive and load trucks and don't try to live off of my writing....

    (That was a joke, trying to lighten the mood)
     
  6. foster1662

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    They were proven to be factual, Dave didn't just sign this because he felt like it.
    http://www.oakhanswers.com/nu/OceTDS1960.pdf
    also this page 1&2 support the charges had no merit
    pages 3&4 show they were found guilty. The information is out there just look.
    http://www.oakhanswers.com/nu/ulp_settlement.pdf
    You didn't come across as hostile, but the company had no intention to bring us back and we would not have been allowed to come back unless the NLRB had ruled againts the company.
    The company was hiring permanent replacement workers.
     
  7. JC55X

    JC55X New Member

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    Thank you for that... OK it is making more sense and I see that 2 different issues were being debated. I stand corrected on the points outlined above.
     
  8. truckchick1

    truckchick1 Active Member

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    You say we should just adjust and bear the additional cost. Are you aware that we have not had a raise for more than 2 years? The cost of living has continually increased but we and our families have had to live with less because the vp's will not ratify a contract. Now nothing is being put into our pension, my previous post shows that our personal medical costs are going up and we do not have any sick time. If you are looking for us to give the company some slack it will just never happen. They brought this on, they refuse to settle a contract, they have had no increases in wages for more than 2 years, they are not increasing our pension and they asre stiffing us with substandard medical. At what point should we just roll over?
     
  9. mrtrukstr

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    Brainwashing, Truth, Lies, Nobody really knows! Do they? All I can say is that when things happen to you personally they become truth. all one really has to do is look at what happened. I worked for a great company at one point. they seemed to have it all I considered them better than the big boys of the industry, but how did they get that way? from the people who look at numbers and say your not efficient enough here is more work and now do it in less time than yesterday? from someone who never even sat in a truck let alone drive one, no it came from those out in the trucks making the deliveries and the pick ups. the workers HELPED create ohfl. when a company says they value their employees and their families one would think that means we really care about you. I am amazed at how gullable some of you are that you actually believe them. I did at first because they actually seemed to care but when the caring stopped so did the believing. personally they proved to me how they cared when they proposed an offer that was not fair. they were never in distress financially so why push those changes? one can plainly see that if they were in financial distress they would never had made it five and a half months. they really should be out of business by now but because they had such great financial resources they survived to ship another day. and as a valued employee standing on the line watching replacements doing the work i did for more than 10 years proves it again. the company would rather bring in a new crew to do the same work as a experience crew and now call them their valued employees also proved it once again. as far as the teamsters are concerned if the company can (spend a fortune) to have attorney's looking out for their intrests, the union looking out for mine only levels the playing field. here's and idea ed get rid of the attorney's (you will same millions probably) and just come to terms that the union will not go away so take all that money and pay the old trusts for health and welfare and retirement. without the unions there would only be two classes, the wealthy business owners who take advantage of loopholes to avoid taxes and the workers who end up paying what the company should have out of THEIR pockets. oh im sorry we already have that!
     
  10. Shifterknob

    Shifterknob The Last Wordslinger

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    Well, maybe I'm being "dilusional" here (a word I wasn't aware existed in the English lexicon, but which apparently means I'm extremely watered-down), but I wasn't exactly making a direct comparison between union members or union leaders and soldiers. I think my point escaped you completely (and really... am I surprised?), which was talking about leadership.

    However, that point being made, I do think there are parallels, as union members have fought and DIED for rights that crud-pickers like you take for granted.

    I would also point out that Teamsters and other union members are still Americans, and many have- and are- fighting for this country's freedom abroad. In addition, they have also fought at home on the battlefront of labor law to defend our rights granted us under the Constitution and federal labor law, that while continually are under attack and indanger of being undermined, exist to protect ALL workers... even the ones like you too dim to grasp their significance or relevence!

    A fight for a principle is still a fight for a principle, and blood has been shed by union members and lives sacrificed in order to defend our inalienable rights under the law of the land. Whether we are fighting a Fascist dictator or a greedy CEO, the fight is defined by the principles being fought over, and I am proud to have stood along with my brothers and sisters and helped to, in some small way, fight the good fight.

    Your perception of what unions are is both flawed and sad, and shows at heart your basic ignorance of the law and history. I am not going to waste my time trying to convince someone as obiously thick-headed as you where the errors of your reasoning are.

    Ah, I see the chip on your shoulder has swelled to enormous proportions, threatening to knock you completely off the straight and narrow path of reason and logic.

    How sad for you.

    Your personal views are no more divinely inspired than mine or anyone else's, my friend. I certainly don't get very upset if someone disagrees with me, but neither do I give up the debate. I just thought it was interesting how you choose to come into a forum where you seem to have nothing at stake, pick fights with posters and moderators, and when someone like myself who has been a member of this board for a long time tries to give you a little advice on how to handle yourself, you jump up on your proverbial soapbox and begin spouting off like a martyr facing a firing squad.

    Save it... it impresses no one, and you merely look foolish and petty.

    And on the note of union leadership... we believe in democracy. Our leaders are elected, and our important decisions are voted on by the rank-and-file. I don't remember getting to vote David VP as Co-President, nor has he ever come to me and asked me to vote on his major business decisions. So just which is the democracy, and which is the Fascist state?

    Well, you read wrong. Shocking.

    Of the original four ULP's that were filed, one was denied, and three were upheld. The later charge of Surface Bargaining was lost, appealed, and lost on appeal. There are multiple ULP's filed since the union went back to work, and they are in the process of being investigated as we speak. Having done our research, we are looking very good on these new ULP's, and I think the company is facing a great deal of heat in the very near future...

    Again, my befuddled friend, you completely miss the point. Lose the almighty chip on your shoulder, and get over it. Many Teamsters have fought in American conflicts, and some have died. When you put on a military uniform, you are no longer union or non-union... you are a soldier.

    On the other hand, there are similarities between soldiers going to war for a principle like freedom, and union members engaging in a struggle for justice and to protect their rights. I'm not claiming that they are a direct comparison... but in the end, a battle over principle is the same whether it is military in nature, or fought on the street and in the courtroom.

    You know, if you had any valid knowledge of what was going on or the facts, you might be a soeone worth debating with. As it is, you are throwing out non-factual information, and basing your entire argument on your opinion and specious and wrong information.

    Our "masses" voted to go on strike. They knew what was at stake, and most of them stood up like real American men and women, and fought an employer who sought to break their spirits and break their union.

    By my opinion, they are judged heros in my book. I don't give a crap how you say I have been judged, because I wasn't important in the first place, and never claimed to be. The ones who stood up and fought are all heros to me, and always will be, and I will never forget their bravery and their fortitude and their faith in their beliefs.

    The ones who crossed and betrayed us I will also never forget or forgive. They are forever etched in my mind as traitorous scum who crawled on their bellies to lick the bootheels of their masters, like the slaves they are...

    You aren't worthy to judge me, or anyone else who stood out on a picket line. You are a slave in your heart, shackled and chained, and you only have yourself to blame for that fact...

    I voted for the strike, as did most of my fellow employees. The union didn't hold a gun to my head or anyone else's head and force us out. We went out with our heads high and our eyes open, and with a clear heart and conscience.

    I know that for someone like you... a slave, I mean... that such a concept would be alien and scary, but most of us have no problem standing up for our rights and for a greater principle of good.

    It was- and is- a good fight. When a Native American was in a battle, he would often say, "It is a good day to die". He didn't say that because he was suicidal. He said that because he knew that some fights were worth fighting, and that as long as his spirit, his mind, and his body were in harmony, he would fight to the death for what he believed in.

    Some people run and never fight, because they believe in nothing. Some people stand up and fight for the greater good, because we believe in things greater than ourselves, and because, if we didn't...

    Who would?
     
  11. Fthemwithasmile

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    Good job Shifter!!! Some of these people just don't get it and never will. I'm not wasting my time.
     
  12. Shifterknob

    Shifterknob The Last Wordslinger

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    I know... I seem I have this innate need to keep beating my head against proverbial brick walls...
     
  13. Jarhead

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    Question, How can you be greedy going back to such a terrible job.
     
  14. neutral2

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    Because it is his inalenable right as a legal citizen in a free country to fight for what he believes in.

    What do you believe in, Ronald?
     
  15. Jarhead

    Jarhead New Member

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    Could you define rights for me. They seem to go only one way here.
     
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    Who said he went back? Maybe he is still fighting for what is right. My personal quest is to fight these greedy tyrants in any way I can. They should not be allowed to get away with ileagle activities, or riding rough shod over good hardworking employess.

    Just a question...... ummmmmm. do you even have any clue what is, and has been going on with these greedy company owners, or are you just trying to stir the pot?
     
  17. Jarhead

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    I believe in God,The United States and the founding documents that make it great,Family,hard work,the Marine Corps,and Labradors.That is a small part of what I believe in.
     
  18. silvertooth

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    Wh? wha? what? Labradors? You lost me there, The dog? You believe in your dog? You believe in a semi-popular danish pop band? Hey, I have a dog too, he's a lab, and I love him, but I don't think he has a whole lot to do with my perceptions and I don't "believe in him" in the sense that I do founding documents or the preservation of country. I heard they might release Berkowitz..... David Berkowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The forefathers of this country and the historical rhetoric we have preserved, indicate to me that they would not only fully support a unionization effort ,they would call the current state of this nation and the globalization effort afoot tyranny, and they would consider anyone opposing protectionism a tyrant or terrorist, yet unions have been on the front lines exposing the multinational corporate world's will to destroy the very fabric of this country and what it represents.

    The Vanderpols boys are rich heirs to a family fortune, any society that loses it's respect for honest working people is destine for failure. If you are an honest, hard working person, and if you really believe the Vanderpol's actions are warranted, you have a twisted perception of reality, and you truly are your own worst enemy.

    It's all here, welcome to free trade. North America's SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc.
     
  19. Jarhead

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    You guys need to lighten up.
     
  20. airhorn4you

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    why? after the last couple of years that is the last thing we need to do
     

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