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Most of our areas local Teamsters rep's.,had some bagels,fresh cut fruit,and coffee,as well as some adult beverages after the meeting.
All for free.
This is the first information meeting for our terminal.
For me it was just confirmation of my speculations.
The local president said he was sure the whole company was to be organized,not just one terminal.
I asked about being brought into the NMFA.
He didn't think we'd get that,but that we'd be able to improve on where we'er at with what we have now.
I have to many years of break in service to add onto the 20 years of credit I froze in 1986 to go non-union.

I asked if a language contract would be the first to be bargined for?
He said yes,that the language had to be in place before anyother issues are brought up.

Than I said we aren't parcel,but we are freight,and should be intitled to be a part of the NMFA,he just smiled at me,and went on about something else I wasn't paying attention too?

Some of my co-workers asked about signing cards,he said not now,more info had to be disscused.
He said its going to be a long process.

Well ok,whatever?

It kind of looks like the union locals don't know much more than we do so far?

Anyone else been to any meetings?
If so is there anything new?

I'm willing to wait to see what are new wage,and benefit package is going to be presented to us as always in a few months.
Good,or bad if the Teamsters are taking it slow?
Than we can make up our minds on whats the best way to go at that time.

For what its worth,maybe just my opinion?
 
If we are not good enough in the IBT's eyes to be offered the NMFA they can go screw off. NMFA is the least I would be satisfied with if they want me in the "brotherhood".
 
Apostolic said:
Most of our areas local Teamsters rep's.,had some bagels,fresh cut fruit,and coffee,as well as some adult beverages after the meeting.
All for free.
This is the first information meeting for our terminal.
For me it was just confirmation of my speculations.
The local president said he was sure the whole company was to be organized,not just one terminal.
I asked about being brought into the NMFA.
He didn't think we'd get that,but that we'd be able to improve on where we'er at with what we have now.
I have to many years of break in service to add onto the 20 years of credit I froze in 1986 to go non-union.

I asked if a language contract would be the first to be bargined for?
He said yes,that the language had to be in place before anyother issues are brought up.

Than I said we aren't parcel,but we are freight,and should be intitled to be a part of the NMFA,he just smiled at me,and went on about something else I wasn't paying attention too?

Some of my co-workers asked about signing cards,he said not now,more info had to be disscused.
He said its going to be a long process.

Well ok,whatever?

It kind of looks like the union locals don't know much more than we do so far?

Anyone else been to any meetings?
If so is there anything new?

I'm willing to wait to see what are new wage,and benefit package is going to be presented to us as always in a few months.
Good,or bad if the Teamsters are taking it slow?
Than we can make up our minds on whats the best way to go at that time.

For what its worth,maybe just my opinion?
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In 22 years as a Teamster I've never heard of a "langauge contract".

What is a langauge contract?

Langauge in the contract usally concerns issues.
Did you have to many adult beverages with the BAs after the meeting?

BTW I heard from a very repretable source that Local 251's meeting went well.

Even the new TM in Lincoln RI is from two union barns.
He was the TM at D&N in Smithfield and USF RedStar in Cumberland. He called me the other day to chat about old times and said he looks forward to having the union at Overnite. He left Central Trans in Seekonk becuase he had no control over his half owner/operator half company employee staff.

Out with the old nmanagement in with the new. That's what many of you have been complaining about. UPS must be listening, they are bringing in Union-ready managers.

Apo, if you're willing to wait why the sarcastic remark about a couple of months, like its never going to come? That sounds a little hypocritical to me. Only an observation not a name calling.
 
I'd be willing to bet one of my extremely large Teamster pension checks, that if you guys vote Union Yes, you will get the full NMFA contract with all the associated benefits. Don't quite know if the BA at Apo's meeting had all the info yet. Anything less would not be an incentive to join. JMHO

P.S. I'm famaliar with his local, and it used to be one of the best in NY. I haven't been a member there for quite a while now.
 
There really does not have to be any guessing what upsf may get for a contract. Did anyone read the letter from Hoffa. (The teamsters intend to organize one group, negotiate a STRONG contract and then BUILD on such a VICTORY to organize other terminals.) SO, it is very simple. Wait to see what this contract is. Find out what the amendments are for your area. When the elections come to your terminal vote. Its all very simple. If the teamsters do what they imply that they are going to do, It will give all the employees a chance to see what type of contract they can have. For Hoffa to save face and finally get "O" organized, You can bet that it will be a STRONG contract. So forget the guess work. Wait to see the contract that everyone agrees apon for this (group) Decide and vote. What an opportunity. To see the contract before you vote. Keeping in mind that there will be amendments to the contract depending on where you live.
 
One more thing, Go to all the teamster Info meetings you want, Talk to anyone you want, You will not get any Idea of what type of contract you may have. Unless you are talking to someone from this (GROUP) that the teamsters intend to negotiate a strong contract for. Stop getting excited and wait to see this strong contract. When all agree teamsters,ups,& employees you will then know what this strong contract consists of. And then you will have the knowledge to make up your own mind.
 
yo....

about a year and a half before our nmfa contract is up we get a survey from the union leadership mailed to us and we can put in the stuff we'd like to see and some of it shows up in the negotiating demands.....

you guys should not be too awful concerned about coffee and doughnuts....

get your gripes out there and compare them with the nmfa and how we address them (every one of your gripes is covered in our contract for sure, we do the same jobs don't we????).......

if our contract addresses these issues to your satisfaction, there's the starting point to join we can make your jobs better......

then if you like how the local union leadership intends to address these issues, support them by joining up.......

if they stand and deliver on your behalf more power to you guys and welcome to our union, if they don't, decertify them......

that's the same options we have, if we don't like 'em we have the ability to decertify them as our bargaining agent any time......

mikeeeeeeeee

ps; if you got questions about the nmfa i got the book within arms reach and my degree in jailhouse law was earned @ local 560 U magna cum laude........
 
Teamster251 you should know(Language) is the wording.

The wording of all the issues regarding the rights of the employer,to the employee.
This contract has to be bargained for,than agreed on by UPS the parent company for UPS Freight to be voted into law by all the freight employees.

But this can only happen after the Teamsters are voted in as the bargaining agents.

This is why I protested that we being LTL freight workers,why shouldn't we be intitled to be brought into the National Master Freight Agreement?
Because all the language is already written in stone,leaving nothing to question.

But I was politley ignored while they went on to another question being asked by another co-worker.

On our arrival we were presented with IBT stickers for our personal vehicle windows,and a short printout about the card check.

After the meeting one of the union trustees offered us more stickers,and said we should start acting like Teamsters.

I,and some of my co-workers with me just said whatever.

As far as partaking of the booze,I can't see consuming beverages that could cause you to surender your CDL,for DWI,as you drove home after this informative discussion.

Although after the offer of free drinks,I did grab one more fresh bagle,on my way out the door right after the meeting.

By the way thanks to all the dues payers for providing our snack.
 
Ok first the BA smiled at you and went on to something you weren't paying attention or was it ignored you and anwered another question?
If you weren't paying attention how did you know he had another question to answer?

Again I asked what is a "language contract"? I know what "contract langauge" is, I've been dealing with it for sometime.

I'll enlighten you an a simple fact about the NMFA. TMI (Trucking Management Inc) negoited the NMFA with the Teamsters. Overnite was and is not part of TMI.

Union officails will not tell you that you will, be part of NMFA becuase you can't (at this time). They have been told to shy away from answering this question in a positive manner, ie "Yes you will be part of it".

TMI contract with the Teamster a legal binding agreement. Overnite/UPSF just can't waltz in and be part of the agreement.
However a contract agreeemnt can be reached with the Teamsters and UPSF at this time and upon the new negiotion of the NMFA UPSF can become part of TMI and fall in along with the others in the NMFA.

Don't read between the lines, find out the truth by asking more informative questions and digging deep to find the truth.

I may seem to you as coming down hard on you but latley you attitude stinks and you seem to be on an anti-union drive.
I quell situations like that and untwisted the twisted.

Be informed
Be inquizitize
Be honest.

T251
 
Teamster251 said:
I may seem to you as coming down hard on you but latley you attitude stinks and you seem to be on an anti-union drive.
I quell situations like that and untwisted the twisted.



T251
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You got that right brother. I really liked the part where he and his "co-workers" said "whatever"
 
Teamster251 OK..

sounds like you've got everything under control.
And yes I'm really taken back by how you've really been angry with me?
If it seems like I'm clueless sometimes,well I am.

You know I've been out of the union going on 21 years now,and only remember all the union LTL companies being in NMFA,so I thought if UPS Freight was going to be represented by the Teamsters that they should automaticly be a part of this agreement.
Which means there wouldn't be any need for a language contract to be bargained for in the first place.

Yes sir T251 I'm an old freight hauler thats not ready to turn in my steering wheel for a rocking chair,and I can be very cluless at times which you've very well noticed on some of my posts of late.
When I use sarcasum to express myself sometimes I think I'm being funny,but I can truly see that it rubs some the wrong way?
I'll try to be a better poster.
But it seems like these truckingboard messages used to be more light hearted in the past?
 
Apostolic said:
sounds like you've got everything under control.
And yes I'm really taken back by how you've really been angry with me?
If it seems like I'm clueless sometimes,well I am.

You know I've been out of the union going on 21 years now,and only remember all the union LTL companies being in NMFA,so I thought if UPS Freight was going to be represented by the Teamsters that they should automaticly be a part of this agreement.
Which means there wouldn't be any need for a language contract to be bargained for in the first place.

Yes sir T251 I'm an old freight hauler thats not ready to turn in my steering wheel for a rocking chair,and I can be very cluless at times which you've very well noticed on some of my posts of late.
When I use sarcasum to express myself sometimes I think I'm being funny,but I can truly see that it rubs some the wrong way?
I'll try to be a better poster.
But it seems like these truckingboard messages used to be more light hearted in the past?
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The whole reason too negotiate a contract is to set language in the agreement that pertains to our situation, just because the teamsters already have contracts in place does not mean it is tailored to our spec's. Listen and learn. We will be part of the NMFA if we go union. When our contract is agreed apon.:shock: :shock:

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
Nice thing you got there..Kind of like a trap...Don't you guys think you should get out of the past....Promise the world and get nothing...
 
Johnnybegood said:
Nice thing you got there..Kind of like a trap...Don't you guys think you should get out of the past....Promise the world and get nothing...
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I would say that you are not getting nothing as you talk about? Thanks to the past!!!!
 
Johnnybegood said:
Nice thing you got there..Kind of like a trap...Don't you guys think you should get out of the past....Promise the world and get nothing...
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Would you care to give some examples of this to back your opinion up?
Like I said, the Teamsters have no right to negotiate anything for anybody unless they're signed up...but you knew that....you just had to make a smart, empty comment, as usual.
 
No thats the reason for distrust you get it your way....We sign and hope for something good and if we don't like it it takes a long time to get out....
 
Johnnybegood said:
No thats the reason for distrust you get it your way....We sign and hope for something good and if we don't like it it takes a long time to get out....
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JB, You have to stop acting like you do not read the post's, Read post #11 in Meeting Info and let that sink in a little bit!
 
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