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TForce | I went to a Teamster info meeting,anyone else go?

Johnnybegood said:
No thats the reason for distrust you get it your way....We sign and hope for something good and if we don't like it it takes a long time to get out....
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Untrue.....if you don't like whatever the Contract proposal is.....vote no on it and send both sides back into negotiations.
 
Teamster251 said:
Ok first the BA smiled at you and went on to something you weren't paying attention or was it ignored you and anwered another question?
If you weren't paying attention how did you know he had another question to answer?

Again I asked what is a "language contract"? I know what "contract langauge" is, I've been dealing with it for sometime.

I'll enlighten you an a simple fact about the NMFA. TMI (Trucking Management Inc) negoited the NMFA with the Teamsters. Overnite was and is not part of TMI.

Union officails will not tell you that you will, be part of NMFA becuase you can't (at this time). They have been told to shy away from answering this question in a positive manner, ie "Yes you will be part of it".

TMI contract with the Teamster a legal binding agreement. Overnite/UPSF just can't waltz in and be part of the agreement.
However a contract agreeemnt can be reached with the Teamsters and UPSF at this time and upon the new negiotion of the NMFA UPSF can become part of TMI and fall in along with the others in the NMFA.

Don't read between the lines, find out the truth by asking more informative questions and digging deep to find the truth.

I may seem to you as coming down hard on you but latley you attitude stinks and you seem to be on an anti-union drive.
I quell situations like that and untwisted the twisted.

Be informed
Be inquizitize
Be honest.

T251
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Great answer 251. It does not get any more honest than that
 
Johnnybegood said:
Like i've said before show us everything in writing before anyone should sign....
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JBG, The Teamsters CANNOT legally negotiate a single thing with UPSF until they are selected as your bargaining agent.

How do you expect the Teamsters to promise you something they legally cannot?
 
Johnnybegood said:
No thats the reason for distrust you get it your way....We sign and hope for something good and if we don't like it it takes a long time to get out....
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JBG, If you don't like the offer you vote no on the contract and go back to the negotiating table.

You have to remember, It's the employees that have final say on whether the contract is approved or not. Not the union. All they are is your bargaining agent
 
Johnnybegood said:
Nice thing you got there..Kind of like a trap...Don't you guys think you should get out of the past....Promise the world and get nothing...
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By simply sighning a checkcard does not say you have voted in the union, but you instead have interest in representation.
:Banger-Cow: :Banger-Cow: :thumbsup:

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
Accelerator said:
By simply sighning a checkcard does not say you have voted in the union, but you instead have interest in representation.
I thought the card check agreement with UPS meant if 50% +1 signed,UPSF would recognize that terminal as organized....and there would be no secret ballot voting???

At least at the first terminal to sign cards.

This is meant as a question not a statement.
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CFer said:
JBG, If you don't like the offer you vote no on the contract and go back to the negotiating table.

You have to remember, It's the employees that have final say on whether the contract is approved or not. Not the union. All they are is your bargaining agent
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doesn't that mean if no agreement is made...the next step is to strike and not make any money until an agreement is reached?
 
I do not think the UPS Menlo drivers are in the NMFA agreement. I could be wrong, but someone told me they had their own agreement. Why would we, UPS Freight not be put into the same agreement. You have to remember that UPS, if there is an agreement to go union, will probably be able to negotiate whatever contract will best suit their business. It looks like they have done that for small package, why not for their freight company?
 
UPSF_GLAD TO BE NON-UNION said:
doesn't that mean if no agreement is made...the next step is to strike and not make any money until an agreement is reached?
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No, if a Contract proposal isn't ratified, it does NOT mean that the next step is a strike. It means that both sides go back to the negotiating table and hammer out a deal. UPS has made it pretty apparent that they'll be fine with you guys joining the Teamsters so I don't see a major problem getting a Contract. UPS knows about what to expect in a UPSF Contract and isn't worried about it...if they were they'd never have agreed to the card check.
Allow me to explain something here.....Maybe you guys have been led to believe that the Teamsters like to call strikes. Nothing could be further from the truth, and that's evident since we, in freight, haven't had a general strike in over 12 years, and probably will never have one again. Both sides know that a strike these days would devastate(Sp?) the remaining Carriers financially and if they closed we'd all be out of jobs. This isn't the 60's or 70's guys. The top dogs on both sides know this and work together to meet in the middle. And here's a real novel thought.....most of today's Teamsters even realize that we need to be more flexible to compete in an atmosphere where our competition has very lax work rules or none at all. Somebody posted ABF's numbers yesterday....they operated at 90.1....and they're Teamsters.
UPS bought you guys for a reason, and now they're paving the way for you to join the Teamsters. Do you really think that when you join that they intend to be so hard-nosed at the negotiating table that you're forced to strike? Use some logic here guys....just relax, it'll take some time, but things will be ok. Be patient, you'll see.
 
UPSF_GLAD TO BE NON-UNION said:
doesn't that mean if no agreement is made...the next step is to strike and not make any money until an agreement is reached?
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UPSF GLAD, what that means is that both sides head back to the table and renegotiate the sticking points. Neither the union or the company want to see a strike. They both have way too much to lose. In my opinion, you'll never see another freight strike again. The stakes are just too big and both sides realize that.
 
bamaboy said:
I do not think the UPS Menlo drivers are in the NMFA agreement. I could be wrong, but someone told me they had their own agreement. Why would we, UPS Freight not be put into the same agreement. You have to remember that UPS, if there is an agreement to go union, will probably be able to negotiate whatever contract will best suit their business. It looks like they have done that for small package, why not for their freight company?
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bamaboy, From what I know, the Menlo contract is inferior to the NMFA.

You have to remember that contracts are written for the industry that they cover.
Menlo is heavy air freight and UPS is package. Thats why they have seperate contracts geared towards their respective businesses.

UPSF is a freight company, thats why the NMFA or something very close to that is the best way to go
 
stldude44 said:
No, if a Contract proposal isn't ratified, it does NOT mean that the next step is a strike. It means that both sides go back to the negotiating table and hammer out a deal. UPS has made it pretty apparent that they'll be fine with you guys joining the Teamsters so I don't see a major problem getting a Contract. UPS knows about what to expect in a UPSF Contract and isn't worried about it...if they were they'd never have agreed to the card check.
Allow me to explain something here.....Maybe you guys have been led to believe that the Teamsters like to call strikes. Nothing could be further from the truth, and that's evident since we, in freight, haven't had a general strike in over 12 years, and probably will never have one again. Both sides know that a strike these days would devastate(Sp?) the remaining Carriers financially and if they closed we'd all be out of jobs. This isn't the 60's or 70's guys. The top dogs on both sides know this and work together to meet in the middle. And here's a real novel thought.....most of today's Teamsters even realize that we need to be more flexible to compete in an atmosphere where our competition has very lax work rules or none at all. Somebody posted ABF's numbers yesterday....they operated at 90.1....and they're Teamsters.
UPS bought you guys for a reason, and now they're paving the way for you to join the Teamsters. Do you really think that when you join that they intend to be so hard-nosed at the negotiating table that you're forced to strike? Use some logic here guys....just relax, it'll take some time, but things will be ok. Be patient, you'll see.
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Nice post stldude, that really sums things up well
 
UPSF_GLAD TO BE NON-UNION said:
doesn't that mean if no agreement is made...the next step is to strike and not make any money until an agreement is reached?
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From what I understand even though we have check cards this is supposed to be a greeting for a informational meeting, and that you have interest in what representation has to offer,

But is by no means a vote for the terminal you represent. I personally have no intention of sighning for nothing ,so this card can wait until we crave sustinence and see what it is we mite be sighning for.

This will come when the first target terminal sighns, then we will see a contract, then we sighn the checkcard and then they will be presented to the company and then a 50 +1 vote count wins, per terminal. nationwide.

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.

:Chocolate-Cow: :Chocolate-Cow:
 
Accelerator said:
From what I understand even though we have check cards this is supposed to be a greeting for a informational meeting, and that you have interest in what representation has to offer,

But is by no means a vote for the terminal you represent. I personally have no intention of sighning for nothing ,so this card can wait until we crave sustinence and see what it is we mite be sighning for.

This will come when the first target terminal sighns, then we will see a contract, then we sighn the checkcard and then they will be presented to the company and then a 50 +1 vote count wins, per terminal. nationwide.

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.

:Chocolate-Cow: :Chocolate-Cow:
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:bananalama: ..............
 
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