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Here is some questions you need to ask VAN SKILLMAN and EASON
1. how much does their union have in reserve.
2. who is going to fund the pension plan when UPSfeight closes the door? Dont think it wont happen because many of companies have went under.(TAX_WRITE OFF)
3. Ask for a print out of what UPS_FREIGHT people would get in their pension-NOT what they have been handing out for the UPS(BROWN) gets. since we make less then they do.
1. how much does their union have in reserve.
2. who is going to fund the pension plan when UPSfeight closes the door? Dont think it wont happen because many of companies have went under.(TAX_WRITE OFF)
3. Ask for a print out of what UPS_FREIGHT people would get in their pension-NOT what they have been handing out for the UPS(BROWN) gets. since we make less then they do.
Please let us ALL know how negotiations between your substandard so called union and UPS. Oh I'm sorry, there are no negotiations, only the one between the IBT and UPS. So why are you people racing to a organization that has not sat down with the company? You are basing your drive on empty promises since there hasn't been talks between the APWA and UPS. What has happened in the past between KC, OVNT and the IBT is just that, the past. Today you have a different era, a new owner, a cleaned up union, and a very secure future. You may have the majority in KC and elsewhere. But there are many more terminals that are leaning or have the majority towards the IBT, including mine. Another question to ask yourselves is , how come the APWA and UPS did not open up talks first? No strength, no voice!! One Union is the only way we as a Company will succeed. A strong voice will not be heard if we are fractured amongst our ranks. I hope you ask yourselves this if you follow through with your union.Equalizer said:
hugnlug asked
The answer to this question is simple. The APWA has not turned in any authorization cards from any facility. They are waiting for a large terminal such as K.C., HRS, SOH, CMS, or GAF to sign majority and they then will hand in cards for all facilities with majority signed at this time. All the HUB's that I have mentioned are in the process of getting APWA cards signed seeking their representation.
hugnlug says
There won't be any communication between the two until the cards are turned in. That's the only way it can work. The Teamsters are currently in talks with the Indianapolis facilty because they have turned in the proper amount of cards to do so. The Teamsters are currently in zero talks pertaining to any other facility in the UPS Freight division.
hugnlug asked
For the answer see above.
hugnlug says
I agree with this statement, but it won't be the Teamsters that will be representing the K.C. facilty. The APWA is the only union that we will ever consider here in K.C.. Maybe the other facilities should reconsider there choice of representation?
hungnlug states
I agree that we have a much more secure future being with UPS. I also understand that we have a new owner and this is a different era for us all that are new to the UPS brand. However your statement of a cleaned up union I disagree with. Unfortunately for us here in K.C. the Teamsters have yet proven again who they are. The meeting that we had October 1st, here in K.C.,with the APWA,was interupted by several Teamsters that behaved rather badly. One of them was escorted away in the back seat of a police cruiser for assault against Danny E****of the APWA. If they want to convince me, or anyone else for that matter that they have changed, this would not be the best way to go about it.
Equalizer
The answer to this question is simple. The APWA has not turned in any authorization cards from any facility. They are waiting for a large terminal such as K.C., HRS, SOH, CMS, or GAF to sign majority and they then will hand in cards for all facilities with majority signed at this time. All the HUB's that I have mentioned are in the process of getting APWA cards signed seeking their representation.
hugnlug says
There won't be any communication between the two until the cards are turned in. That's the only way it can work. The Teamsters are currently in talks with the Indianapolis facilty because they have turned in the proper amount of cards to do so. The Teamsters are currently in zero talks pertaining to any other facility in the UPS Freight division.
hugnlug asked
For the answer see above.
hugnlug says
I agree with this statement, but it won't be the Teamsters that will be representing the K.C. facilty. The APWA is the only union that we will ever consider here in K.C.. Maybe the other facilities should reconsider there choice of representation?
hungnlug states
I agree that we have a much more secure future being with UPS. I also understand that we have a new owner and this is a different era for us all that are new to the UPS brand. However your statement of a cleaned up union I disagree with. Unfortunately for us here in K.C. the Teamsters have yet proven again who they are. The meeting that we had October 1st, here in K.C.,with the APWA,was interupted by several Teamsters that behaved rather badly. One of them was escorted away in the back seat of a police cruiser for assault against Danny E****of the APWA. If they want to convince me, or anyone else for that matter that they have changed, this would not be the best way to go about it.
Equalizer
LOCAL776 asks
Since this is an upstart union there will not be any reserves, but it didn't stop the pilots of UPS to start their own union and neither will it stop us.
LOCAL776 asks
The risk of UPS Freight closing it's doors is a concern with or without a union. I understand that the Multi-employer plan that the Teamsters are with may help you in case this does happen. Looking at the Central States Pension Fund(which is what we here in K.C. would be in) I'm not sure that they will be any better. You first have to get a job with a company involved in the same plan and the Fund must find a way to be funded above 64% or the cuts will continue for all involved especially when the REDZONE AMMENDMENT goes into effect.
LOCAL 776 asks
This will be determined during the negotiations and as the power behind the APWA (it's members) we will gladly say no to anything less that is desired by us as a group.
LOCAL776 says
We are awake and fully aware of the situation that we are in. I'm thankful to have a CHOICE other than the Teamsters.
Equalizer
Since this is an upstart union there will not be any reserves, but it didn't stop the pilots of UPS to start their own union and neither will it stop us.
LOCAL776 asks
The risk of UPS Freight closing it's doors is a concern with or without a union. I understand that the Multi-employer plan that the Teamsters are with may help you in case this does happen. Looking at the Central States Pension Fund(which is what we here in K.C. would be in) I'm not sure that they will be any better. You first have to get a job with a company involved in the same plan and the Fund must find a way to be funded above 64% or the cuts will continue for all involved especially when the REDZONE AMMENDMENT goes into effect.
LOCAL 776 asks
This will be determined during the negotiations and as the power behind the APWA (it's members) we will gladly say no to anything less that is desired by us as a group.
LOCAL776 says
We are awake and fully aware of the situation that we are in. I'm thankful to have a CHOICE other than the Teamsters.
Equalizer
LOCAL776 asks
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how much does their union have in reserve
Since this is an upstart union there will not be any reserves, but it didn't stop the pilots of UPS to start their own union and neither will it stop us.
LOCAL776 asks
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who is going to fund the pension plan when UPSfeight closes the door? Dont think it wont happen because many of companies have went under.(TAX_WRITE OFF)
The risk of UPS Freight closing it's doors is a concern with or without a union. I understand that the Multi-employer plan that the Teamsters are with may help you in case this does happen. Looking at the Central States Pension Fund(which is what we here in K.C. would be in) I'm not sure that they will be any better. You first have to get a job with a company involved in the same plan and the Fund must find a way to be funded above 64% or the cuts will continue for all involved especially when the REDZONE AMMENDMENT goes into effect.
LOCAL 776 asks
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Ask for a print out of what UPS_FREIGHT people would get in their pension-NOT what they have been handing out for the UPS(BROWN) gets. since we make less then they do.
This will be determined during the negotiations and as the power behind the APWA (it's members) we will gladly say no to anything less that is desired by us as a group.
LOCAL776 says
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wake up before its to late
We are awake and fully aware of the situation that we are in. I'm thankful to have a CHOICE other than the Teamsters.
Equalizer
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how much does their union have in reserve
Since this is an upstart union there will not be any reserves, but it didn't stop the pilots of UPS to start their own union and neither will it stop us.
LOCAL776 asks
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who is going to fund the pension plan when UPSfeight closes the door? Dont think it wont happen because many of companies have went under.(TAX_WRITE OFF)
The risk of UPS Freight closing it's doors is a concern with or without a union. I understand that the Multi-employer plan that the Teamsters are with may help you in case this does happen. Looking at the Central States Pension Fund(which is what we here in K.C. would be in) I'm not sure that they will be any better. You first have to get a job with a company involved in the same plan and the Fund must find a way to be funded above 64% or the cuts will continue for all involved especially when the REDZONE AMMENDMENT goes into effect.
LOCAL 776 asks
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Ask for a print out of what UPS_FREIGHT people would get in their pension-NOT what they have been handing out for the UPS(BROWN) gets. since we make less then they do.
This will be determined during the negotiations and as the power behind the APWA (it's members) we will gladly say no to anything less that is desired by us as a group.
LOCAL776 says
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wake up before its to late
We are awake and fully aware of the situation that we are in. I'm thankful to have a CHOICE other than the Teamsters.
Equalizer
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I would give the union for NEMF more credit than one that does'nt exist yet!!!!
:horse: :horse: Where are the horses.....
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Equalizer said:
First of all you are asking us to commit too assumptions. How do we know the new union could infact be any better than what is currently being negotiated?
Are you a plant....? and also how can one say the APWA will not be corrupt!!!! are you insane.?
I have alway's said there is curruption in everything, I do not think you of all people can honestly say you trust everybody!!!!. You also say that you can only speak for your terminal, and on the same note speak for other breakbulk's, How many terminal's do you speak for ???
Please come and visit when you get ahold of yourself .
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Apostolic said:
Alot of people listen to hearsay, and do as little investigative work as possible, and believe what other people say, and make stupid move's. it's the american way!!! after all our president sold us a war on weapon's of mass destruction, where the hell are they ??????.
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Quote Equilizer.(We are awake and fully aware of the situation that we are in. I'm thankful to have a CHOICE other than the Teamsters.)
From time to time I find myself at the dogtrack betting on nothing, and you know something I never win!!!!!
From time to time I find myself at the dogtrack betting on nothing, and you know something I never win!!!!!
Apostolic asks,
Mr. C ,of W******* and M***** is not their only lawyer. They have 7 other lawyers to handle the contract negotiations that will take place after we sign majority. Mr. C. is retained for the sole purpose of pulling the UPS Parcel workers out of the IBT. Once this is done his services will no longer be needed.
Equalizer
NO LAST NAMES PLEASE
Mr. C ,of W******* and M***** is not their only lawyer. They have 7 other lawyers to handle the contract negotiations that will take place after we sign majority. Mr. C. is retained for the sole purpose of pulling the UPS Parcel workers out of the IBT. Once this is done his services will no longer be needed.
Equalizer
NO LAST NAMES PLEASE
Accelerator asks,
We don't know anything for sure that pertains to the Indy contract. As for me asking you to commit to assumptions, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just answering questions to the best of my ability and as honest as I can. I do however throw my opinion out there as well.
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I am not a spokesman for any terminal. The information that I have is based on what we were told in the APWA meeting. also from what people have personally told me during phone conversations, that I have had, who actually work at the facilities that I have mentioned.
Accelerator states,
We don't know anything for sure that pertains to the Indy contract. As for me asking you to commit to assumptions, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just answering questions to the best of my ability and as honest as I can. I do however throw my opinion out there as well.
Accelerator
No I am not a plant. I am a carnivore. Just kidding. I am simply a supporter of the APWA voicing my opinion. I have been working on the dock in K.C. for a little over 15years and have been hourly every second of it. I, like you, know we need representation with UPS. I am simply CHOOSING the APWA over the IBT.
Accelerator asks,
I don't recall that I ever said that the APWA will never be corrupt. Their charter bylaws will hopefully keep the corruption out, but I do understand people are human and greed does do things to people that they would normally not do. As far as insane, my wife certainly thinks so at times.
Accelerator asks,
I am not a spokesman for any terminal. The information that I have is based on what we were told in the APWA meeting. also from what people have personally told me during phone conversations, that I have had, who actually work at the facilities that I have mentioned.
Accelerator states,
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Yes, APWA and there union busting lawyer's main goal is to get UPSers out of the union. That's about the only truth Ive heard from you. Now how are these lawyers being paid? Outta the kindness of there heart? Or are you gonna tell me that two s c a b s outta NC are paying them? They have no members (but two)so the money has to come from somewhere.Equalizer said: