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Razorblade, on the FedEx forum you posted the following statement.

"Actually, I posted that I was a steward, both local and linehaul, with 3 different Western Pa. locals, 110, 261 and 249. I was recording secretary at 261 for 6 years. A JC 40 delegate and organizer. Worked on a COO negotiating committee 4 times. In 1998, I was Western Pennsylvania co-chair of The Tom Leedham for IBT President Committee. After 25 years at Preston, I worked at Yellow in Cleveland for 5 years.
None of that changes the facts. In a deregulated industry, the rules have changed. Nobody said anything about not deserving. FedEx employees take whatever the company "gives" because they have only two choices, stay or leave. FedEx will pay whatever it takes to retain or hire drivers and not a penny more. The union can be an advocate for employees who "deserve" a portion of the profits they create. The problem with unions is simple. They can never say to the membership, "this is it, the company can't do any better, there isn't anything else for us to do". Like corporate greed, employee greed means the employees always want more. Eventually in a free market service industry, unionized labor prices itself out of the market and the employer cannot compete. The company closes, shareholders lose their investment and employees are out of work. Which is why my 25 year career at Preston ended and I started over at Yellow. 25 years experience, 2 million miles documented safe driving, triples qualified and I started at 70% of the union scale. Was I worth more than 70% or was the 30 year old with 5 years more seniority overpaid?"

If you are still out there, I would like you to explain how you were a steward, Secretary Treasurer, and an organizer for the Teamsters if you truly feel that Teamsters are greedy and over paid. It makes me wonder how many of your fellow Teamster's you threw under the bus during your time as a steward just to make the company you worked for happy.
 
Greed is a natural human fault. Look at the writings on this board about the government giveaway checks. How many times have posters here talked about being the little guy or the working guy. Look at the charts. $75,000 yearly HOUSEHOLD income is in the top 25% of incomes. Nobody is ever rich, the guy who has more than you is rich.
Over paid? What is the right amount? What is your labor worth? If your labor is worth $30.00 an hour plus amazing benefits, you should be able to justify that amount on your resume and find any number of employers who will pay it. The amount of profit a company makes has nothing to do with the value of your labor. If you want a share of the profits, buy shares in the company. Labor is worth whatever an employer must pay to hire employees and get the work done. It's all about supply and demand. When people won't do the work for $20.00, the employer will choose to pay more or stop production.
Every union leader I ever met was pro company. The real advocates for the membership understand that business is where the jobs are. The union does not pay your wages, fund your healthcare or your pension. The union does not pay for vacations, sick days, holidays, jury duty or anything else. Real advocates for the membership have no interest in putting companies in a position where there isn't enough cash to capitalize the business because labor is too costly.
LTL freight is a competitive business. Shippers do not care about YRC or ABF. All the customer cares about is on time, damage free delivery at the lowest possible price. Why? because they are trying to maximize profits.
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In every industry, there is a tug of war between employer and employee. Unions can be the balance but unions must work to maintain the balance and not kill the golden goose. Job one must be job security even if that means telling the membership that the company is paying a good wage and must be allowed to make a profit.
There are two economic evils, capitalism and socialism. Without safeguards, runaway capitalism will take advantage of, and abuse labor to make massive profits for corporate owners. Socialism will destroy the economy by collectivizing labor. All labor will be considered to be of equal value eliminating the need for individual productivity and work ethic. Unions are textbook examples of socialism. Seniority being the holy grail without regard for which person is better suited to the task.
Most of what the labor movement was formed to accomplish has been achieved through labor laws. The balance of union and management no longer exists. The Teamsters once represented 500,000 drivers and have squandered those jobs by over promising and bankrupting 600+ companies.
 
Greed is a natural human fault. Look at the writings on this board about the government giveaway checks. How many times have posters here talked about being the little guy or the working guy. Look at the charts. $75,000 yearly HOUSEHOLD income is in the top 25% of incomes. Nobody is ever rich, the guy who has more than you is rich.
Over paid? What is the right amount? What is your labor worth? If your labor is worth $30.00 an hour plus amazing benefits, you should be able to justify that amount on your resume and find any number of employers who will pay it. The amount of profit a company makes has nothing to do with the value of your labor. If you want a share of the profits, buy shares in the company. Labor is worth whatever an employer must pay to hire employees and get the work done. It's all about supply and demand. When people won't do the work for $20.00, the employer will choose to pay more or stop production.
Every union leader I ever met was pro company. The real advocates for the membership understand that business is where the jobs are. The union does not pay your wages, fund your healthcare or your pension. The union does not pay for vacations, sick days, holidays, jury duty or anything else. Real advocates for the membership have no interest in putting companies in a position where there isn't enough cash to capitalize the business because labor is too costly.
LTL freight is a competitive business. Shippers do not care about YRC or ABF. All the customer cares about is on time, damage free delivery at the lowest possible price. Why? because they are trying to maximize profits.
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This is where you lost me: “The amount of profit a company makes has nothing to do with the value of your labor.”

My friend, you are WAY overdue for a long look inward.
 
In every industry, there is a tug of war between employer and employee. Unions can be the balance but unions must work to maintain the balance and not kill the golden goose. Job one must be job security even if that means telling the membership that the company is paying a good wage and must be allowed to make a profit.
There are two economic evils, capitalism and socialism. Without safeguards, runaway capitalism will take advantage of, and abuse labor to make massive profits for corporate owners. Socialism will destroy the economy by collectivizing labor. All labor will be considered to be of equal value eliminating the need for individual productivity and work ethic. Unions are textbook examples of socialism. Seniority being the holy grail without regard for which person is better suited to the task.
Most of what the labor movement was formed to accomplish has been achieved through labor laws. The balance of union and management no longer exists. The Teamsters once represented 500,000 drivers and have squandered those jobs by over promising and bankrupting 600+ companies.
Now that you rambled on with two posts when were you going to answer him on your union positions?
 
Some of you may not like to hear/read what Razorblade says but he makes a lot of good sense in his comments. He looks to be taking quite an intelligent view of the overall labor/management relationship. And as someone with a strong union background it's refreshing to see him speak as honestly as he is. Go ahead and slam me for saying that but I pretty much agree with what he has stated and I've been a Teamster for 50 years myself.
 
Some of you may not like to hear/read what Razorblade says but he makes a lot of good sense in his comments. He looks to be taking quite an intelligent view of the overall labor/management relationship. And as someone with a strong union background it's refreshing to see him speak as honestly as he is. Go ahead and slam me for saying that but I pretty much agree with what he has stated and I've been a Teamster for 50 years myself.
Not going to slam anyone, just waiting for a response about his union position’s he held....
 
1.Look at the charts. $75,000 yearly HOUSEHOLD income is in the top 25% of incomes. 2.The amount of profit a company makes has nothing to do with the value of your labor. Labor is worth whatever an employer must pay to hire employees and get the work done. 3.It's all about supply and demand. When people won't do the work for $20.00, the employer will choose to pay more or stop production.
4.The union does not pay your wages, fund your healthcare or your pension.
While I will.admit that some of what you say is true the things I numbered I would like to address. 1. Just because I'm in the top 25% doesn't mean I am in the same financial neighborhood as people in the top 10%, I will bet you that between me and them is a couple hundred thousand dollars or more....I would also bet that I'm closer in compensation with the 40% to 74%.....2. How profitable a company is most certainly affects my value, ask the guys at YRC if being unprofitable affected their wages. If the company is profitable it is because of everyone working for the company. 3. Supply and demand is a laughable argument... When it benefits big business your wages become stagnant and they lower wages by not giving raises, and when there is a shortage of workers they talk to their friends in the government and sponsor workers by getting them visas(look at truckload...I think I'm going to call my senator about that since I'm rich in the top 25% and I have him on speed dial). 4. You are right about that....they are my advocate it isn't their job to do these other things....
 
In every industry, there is a tug of war between employer and employee. Unions can be the balance but unions must work to maintain the balance and not kill the golden goose. Job one must be job security even if that means telling the membership that the company is paying a good wage and must be allowed to make a profit.
There are two economic evils, capitalism and socialism. Without safeguards, runaway capitalism will take advantage of, and abuse labor to make massive profits for corporate owners. Socialism will destroy the economy by collectivizing labor. All labor will be considered to be of equal value eliminating the need for individual productivity and work ethic. Unions are textbook examples of socialism. Seniority being the holy grail without regard for which person is better suited to the task.
Most of what the labor movement was formed to accomplish has been achieved through labor laws. The balance of union and management no longer exists. The Teamsters once represented 500,000 drivers and have squandered those jobs by over promising and bankrupting 600+ companies.
If every union leader you ever met was pro-company, I think you've been looking in the wrong places.
I can assure you if not for the union, I and many more would not have been drawing a pension for the past 30 yrs.
Back in the 50s, I saw nepotism, where the supervisors had the in-laws doing the job they thought, were best suited for, disregarding seniority
I'll take seniority anytime.
I think a lot of those 600 companies were doing ok before deregulation.
I can't say the union busted them.
Like the old saying, opinions are like butt holes, I have one and so do you.
 
Some of you may not like to hear/read what Razorblade says but he makes a lot of good sense in his comments. He looks to be taking quite an intelligent view of the overall labor/management relationship. And as someone with a strong union background it's refreshing to see him speak as honestly as he is. Go ahead and slam me for saying that but I pretty much agree with what he has stated and I've been a Teamster for 50 years myself.
You've been a Teamster for50 yrs?..... Damn, you're old!
 
Some of you may not like to hear/read what Razorblade says but he makes a lot of good sense in his comments. He looks to be taking quite an intelligent view of the overall labor/management relationship. And as someone with a strong union background it's refreshing to see him speak as honestly as he is. Go ahead and slam me for saying that but I pretty much agree with what he has stated and I've been a Teamster for 50 years myself.
I would like to think that the posters on the ABF board are better than that.....I think when people get slammed on this board its because they are being intentionally dishonest and not solely because of a difference of opinion.... I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with everything you write, because you are giving your honest opinion...that is one of my biggest pet peeves....dishonesty.
 
<snip> I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with everything you write, because you are giving your honest opinion...that is one of my biggest pet peeves....dishonesty.
And I feel the same way about you. We (all of us) can have different opinions and see things differently but by having intelligent, respectful, honest conversations I believe we can find that our views aren't really that far apart in the big picture.

Now of course take Seabreeze, well that's a whole different story! :hide: :hysterical::hilarious:
 
And I feel the same way about you. We (all of us) can have different opinions and see things differently but by having intelligent, respectful, honest conversations I believe we can find that our views aren't really that far apart in the big picture.

Now of course take Seabreeze, well that's a whole different story! :hide: :hysterical::hilarious:
You could have a point, I always say " If two people agree on every single subject, one of you is a liar"
As for now, I'm like the racoon making love to a polecat, I've enjoyed all this I can stand,
Hitting the sack, gonna put mama's butt in the garden tomorrow.
I let her play today, testing a load of Mud's Campground Approved Firewood.https://imgur.com/a/TZAur1i
 
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