Estes | YRC Crash? Who really wants this?

[Legshot]

I am getting indications that some YRC drivers see us as wanting the demise of YRC, the largest LTL carrier in the continental US , to fail. Let me tell you people that there, is no one with a thinking brain in their head, that wants this to happen. Though we may have different ways of getting our freight delivered for our companies, the bottom line is, that we do a good job, and show up another day to do it again.
Turmoil brings out the best in people, and I can't say enough about the local YRC drivers that I see everyday, pounding the pavement, despite the uncertainty.
I want to try to throw up a poll here, and do it knowingly that the Estes family drivers are wishing you nothing but the best if it all crashes.
Just remember, if it all falls apart, it will create a huge vacuum, and you guys will be okay, doing the same job, just in different colored truck. Good luck, either way!

 

[Legshot]

Hey!
So far... One vote pro YRC! That's a hundred percent my friends! Legshot :loser:

 

[deerhunterman]

You are 100 % right Legshot, here in the midwest we have the same problem, for the most part, most of the YRC guys are pretty decent, but there are the chosen few that walk around with that attitude looking down on Big-E & accusing us of buyig them out little by little & stealing there freight. < Just like the 2 YRC drivers in the chicago area that jumped a Big-E driver & beat him up pretty bad,TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR, all because he was there picking up freight that they use to get, how i know is because this just so happens to be a freind of mine.> As you, i do not want to see YRC go down, thats the last thing we need is another OBOMA screw up. Good Luck Guys, hope you all the best.

 

[Starkravinloon]

I have said time and time again,on this forum and

the U/Non U forum, that if anyone wishes this on

anyone,they need their cranium examined.That is

if they find they have one.These guys have families,

they are fathers and mothers and grand parents,just

like everyone else.Please give them the respect they

deserve as human beings.As deerhunter said, there are

those out there with YRC that are aholes,just like here.

But you don't condemn the hole herd for one or two sick

animals.Personally,I wish them the best of luck,and I say

that with sincerity. Because there are going to be some difficult

decisions made here in the next few weeks and months.

TO ALL YRC EMPLOYEES AND THERE FAMILIES--GOOD LUCK

 

[strangedays50]

You are 100 % right Legshot, here in the midwest we have the same problem, for the most part, most of the YRC guys are pretty decent, but there are the chosen few that walk around with that attitude looking down on Big-E & accusing us of buyig them out little by little & stealing there freight. < Just like the 2 YRC drivers in the chicago area that jumped a Big-E driver & beat him up pretty bad,TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR, all because he was there picking up freight that they use to get, how i know is because this just so happens to be a freind of mine.> As you, i do not want to see YRC go down, thats the last thing we need is another OBOMA screw up. Good Luck Guys, hope you all the best.

why would yrc failing be OBMAs fault.

 

[Legshot]

why would yrc failing be OBMAs fault.

Just like Bush, we can now blame EVERYTHING on Obama! YEAAA!

 

[grocerythrower]

I voted for their success, I have known many Yellow and Roadway drivers and they are just like me, they just want to make a living, and half way enjoy doing it.

If they go under it will create big problems, they are huge and move a bunch of freight, all the freight companies couldn't keep up with the inflow of freight for a year or more I bet, it would be a mess. However, its the human side that bothers me, I don't want to see these men and women have to go looking, don't matter if it would be easy to find work or not, its still stressful.

Good luck YRC!!

 

[kantgetryte]

I remember when they went on strike back in the early 90's, trls came in jammed with freight 30% damaged and many long days followed trying playing catch-up.
not trying to sound selfish, I enjoy working 8.5 to 9 hrs a day and dread the day if it ever comes, hopefully it won't! Can't understand why Zollors hasn't been replaced!

 

[Teamcujo]

I remember when they went on strike back in the early 90's, trls came in jammed with freight 30% damaged and many long days followed trying playing catch-up.
not trying to sound selfish, I enjoy working 8.5 to 9 hrs a day and dread the day if it ever comes, hopefully it won't! Can't understand why Zollors hasn't been replaced!

We can't afford to, you've heard of Golden parachutes, He's is made of californium 252.

WikiAnswers - What is the most expensive element

 

[grocerythrower]

We can't afford to, you've heard of Golden parachutes, He's is made of californium 252.

WikiAnswers - What is the most expensive element

The wikianswers sorta went over my head...well, no it did go over my head, but I get the jist..still good luck to YRC!!!

Is Mr. Zollars not making good decisions? Or is it beyond his control?

 

[imported_DemonDeacon]

Zollars made bold moves years ago that at the time were lauded for creating the largest nationwide trucking network in the country. Unfortunately, he and the board decided not to integrate Roadway and Yellow until it was much too late and their debt was choking the company. Then they had to do it too fast. Regardless of his actions and intent, the CEO of a corporation is USUALLY the first casualty in a failing company. Unfortunately, as the report that Jeff posted says, Zollars has an exit clause somewhere in the neighborhood of $14MM, so YRCW cannot afford to fire him, ironic huh?

I voted No, I was around for the Teamsters and UPS strikes of several years ago, and I have little need for that many hours crammed into one week, much less the two or three months it would take for the industry to adapt. Not to mention I still have many friends at Holland and YRC, and don't wish unemployment on anybody.

 

[Starkravinloon]

I think what he's referencing to is his contract settlement.I beleive it's around 12 or 15 million.

 

[daycabpornstar]

I have said time and time again,on this forum and

the U/Non U forum, that if anyone wishes this on

anyone,they need their cranium examined.That is

if they find they have one.These guys have families,

they are fathers and mothers and grand parents,just

like everyone else.Please give them the respect they

deserve as human beings.As deerhunter said, there are

those out there with YRC that are aholes,just like here.

But you don't condemn the hole herd for one or two sick

animals.Personally,I wish them the best of luck,and I say

that with sincerity. Because there are going to be some difficult

decisions made here in the next few weeks and months.

TO ALL YRC EMPLOYEES AND THERE FAMILIES--GOOD LUCK

I also have a wife and kids to support:thumbsup:...I too have friends @ yrc. It would be bad if they do fall, but who will pay my bills if the freight level drops even more and my run gets canceled, then I sit in Charlotte for 2 days not making any money:boohoo:???? I wish the best, but they will find other jobs. Someone has to move the 25% yrc moved, and there isn't 1 company that could do it. Hate to be selfesh, but I have to look out for me...

 

[Wild Turkey]

No one in their right mind wants to see YRCW fail and their thousands of drivers on food stamps, but the fact remains that no company can afford, even in the best of times, to pay into the pension plans for the thousands of retired drivers. It is fiscally impossible. And if YRC fails, it will take down ABF as they are then required to cover the thousands of YRC employees and their pensions. Therefore, the socialist government gets two for one so to speak and the teamsters are practically a non-entity anymore.

As was mentioned above, it is a Ponzi scheme as is social security. It depends on many workers at the bottom paying for the few retirees at the top. In today's economy it cannot be economically feasible as there are not enough workers unless they bring in Mexican truckers which is next on the list. However, even if they are unionized it will be a castrated union with far less benefits, no pension, and far less pay.

Granted, the unions are partly to blame with their insistence of a driver being paid for every second he/she is on company property or in a company vehicle. Back in the &quot;good 'ole days&quot; it was feasible, but today no way Jose. Back then, workers would gladly pay any amount in union dues for the bennies they were receiving based on the &quot;arm twisting&quot; of the unions and the only ones who really profited were the union bosses (who were handsomely paid from your union dues) and the retirees who were lucky enough to reap the rewards as my grandfather when he retired from the ship workers union. I envied him and looked forward to the day when I could retire with a paycheck every month. Today a retiree of a union company would be glad to receive what he is receiving in social security.

After the YRC debacle anyone who wants a union is nuts and delusional as what did the union, in the long run do for them, or GM and Chrysler, or CF? Zilch. And if UPSF thinks they are not next in line, they better think again as it would be very easy to take them down and take them down they will. In this economy it will be very easy to say &quot;we are not making a profit in LTL&quot;, as UPSF and FedEx have shown whereas Estes has made a profit. Something looks fishy here.

Therefore, if you think a union will help you, think again and observe and do your research as in this government a union is a detriment and not desired nor is it needed as all workers must be on the same level and pay scale and &quot;work for the good of the country and government.&quot; In a socialized economy all are equal and those that have must give to those that don't have (ie don't want to work). Where have we heard that before? Or do you need a history lesson?

As has been said before, &quot;those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it.&quot;

 

[mildew]

I also have a wife and kids to support:thumbsup:...I too have friends @ yrc. It would be bad if they do fall, but who will pay my bills if the freight level drops even more and my run gets canceled, then I sit in Charlotte for 2 days not making any money:boohoo:???? I wish the best, but they will find other jobs. Someone has to move the 25% yrc moved, and there isn't 1 company that could do it. Hate to be selfesh, but I have to look out for me...

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

 

[Teamcujo]

Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

Praise God.

 

[Estands4evil]

No one in their right mind wants to see YRCW fail and their thousands of drivers on food stamps, but the fact remains that no company can afford, even in the best of times, to pay into the pension plans for the thousands of retired drivers. It is fiscally impossible. And if YRC fails, it will take down ABF as they are then required to cover the thousands of YRC employees and their pensions. Therefore, the socialist government gets two for one so to speak and the teamsters are practically a non-entity anymore.

As was mentioned above, it is a Ponzi scheme as is social security. It depends on many workers at the bottom paying for the few retirees at the top. In today's economy it cannot be economically feasible as there are not enough workers unless they bring in Mexican truckers which is next on the list. However, even if they are unionized it will be a castrated union with far less benefits, no pension, and far less pay.

Granted, the unions are partly to blame with their insistence of a driver being paid for every second he/she is on company property or in a company vehicle. Back in the &quot;good 'ole days&quot; it was feasible, but today no way Jose. Back then, workers would gladly pay any amount in union dues for the bennies they were receiving based on the &quot;arm twisting&quot; of the unions and the only ones who really profited were the union bosses (who were handsomely paid from your union dues) and the retirees who were lucky enough to reap the rewards as my grandfather when he retired from the ship workers union. I envied him and looked forward to the day when I could retire with a paycheck every month. Today a retiree of a union company would be glad to receive what he is receiving in social security.

After the YRC debacle anyone who wants a union is nuts and delusional as what did the union, in the long run do for them, or GM and Chrysler, or CF? Zilch. And if UPSF thinks they are not next in line, they better think again as it would be very easy to take them down and take them down they will. In this economy it will be very easy to say &quot;we are not making a profit in LTL&quot;, as UPSF and FedEx have shown whereas Estes has made a profit. Something looks fishy here.

Therefore, if you think a union will help you, think again and observe and do your research as in this government a union is a detriment and not desired nor is it needed as all workers must be on the same level and pay scale and &quot;work for the good of the country and government.&quot; In a socialized economy all are equal and those that have must give to those that don't have (ie don't want to work). Where have we heard that before? Or do you need a history lesson?

As has been said before, &quot;those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it.&quot;

I think this needs moved to the U/Non-U debate forum so someone with a greater understanding of the english language can debunk this steaming pile of ::

 

[Legshot]

I think this needs moved to the U/Non-U debate forum so someone with a greater understanding of the english language can debunk this steaming pile of ::

Why does the U debate always come into it?:Flame-On:

If I saw this coming, I would have never started this thread.

I just wanted to let my friends at YRC to know, that us on this board wish them only the best...
I don't give a :: how they are paid, or how they retire, or how they feed their families!
My concern is that they ARE paid, and they DO retire, and do FEED their families, and complete the silly cycle of life, as someone who chose to drive a truck for a living...
That's all.... very simple..... &quot;Good Luck Bro&quot;

Also, you manipulative poll heisters, stop voting &quot;Hope they crash&quot; Nobody on this board feels this way... Too many *bleeping* Christians here..... We don't believe you! Don't let your bad attitude dog :: on our lawn!

No way, no how! Legshot :loser:

 

[Starkravinloon]

Why does the U debate always come into it?:Flame-On:

If I saw this coming, I would have never started this thread.

I just wanted to let my friends at YRC to know, that us on this board wish them only the best...
I don't give a :: how they are paid, or how they retire, or how they feed their families!
My concern is that they ARE paid, and they DO retire, and do FEED their families, and complete the silly cycle of life, as someone who chose to drive a truck for a living...
That's all.... very simple..... &quot;Good Luck Bro&quot;

Also, you manipulative poll heisters, stop voting &quot;Hope they crash&quot; Nobody on this board feels this way... Too many *bleeping* Christians here..... We don't believe you! Don't let your bad attitude dog :: on our lawn!

No way, no how! Legshot :loser:

The snakes are crawlin',legshot.We all know why you started it .All you have to do is read the responses.Those pesky union guys always come in here to express their thoughts and ways of life. As if we don't know what's goin' on.

Ooops.I said the U word!!!!

 

[johnc1go]

I also have a wife and kids to support:thumbsup:...I too have friends @ yrc. It would be bad if they do fall, but who will pay my bills if the freight level drops even more and my run gets canceled, then I sit in Charlotte for 2 days not making any money:boohoo:???? I wish the best, but they will find other jobs. Someone has to move the 25% yrc moved, and there isn't 1 company that could do it. Hate to be selfesh, but I have to look out for me...

I don't see where looking out for you and your family is selfish. If you don't, who will? Those guys that work for YRCW chose to work there and they are now dealing the consequences of that choice. I'm glad to see you have the guts to say what many others on TB won't say. I also hope YRC goes the way of the dinosaurs, but not because I want to see Teamsters lose their jobs.

I said in another thread that there is an imbalance in the freight market, too much capacity to haul vs. not enough freight, it's a matter of supply and demand. Our country is great because of our system of government creates capitalism. The freight market will balance itself out, provided the govt doesn't interfere. The economy isn't coming back anytime soon and the only way the viable LTL's will survive, is to take freight from the weaker companies.

I want to see YRCW to fail because it's the way of things in a capitalistic economy. During tough times, the well ran companies survive and the poorly ran ones don't, as it should be. If YRCW fails, it won't be the first trucking company to do so and it won't be the last. Nothing personal to any YRC guys, it's just business.