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EX396 said:
I will start with the low hanging fruit.....EX Industries.:mf swordfight:

I thought there were rules against posting real Shippers' names. I just re-read the rules posted here and didn't see such thing....however, given my recent "no questions asked" 10 day ban from an un-named overzealous moderator who misinterpreted a post of mine. I'm not taking any chances.
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Lol nice moonwalk while taking a jab at the moderator who banned you. Im pretty sure all the mods actually drive a truck you do not. Its no wonder you are partial to foriegn junk your pay check is affected by all that junk coming here.
 
Virginia Tech said:
You could also take a driver satisfaction survey of YRC, ABF, Holland, New Penn, and Standard Forwarding drivers......Compared to O.D, Saia, Conway, Fedex, and Estes drivers.

Browsing these forums I think we all know which group of these drivers actually enjoy working for there company.

Other than UPS parcel there is not 1 other company represented by the Teamsters that i would ever work for!

Can I get a AMEN!!!
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All jobs could be better, I'm sitting on right at $96000.00 a year and I work for one of the carriers you mentioned! Home everyday, assigned equipment,come in do my job go home no problems! 5 weeks vacation, which are paid at 6 day weeks, great medical insurance, but with all that said I could still pick it to death. I don't worry about speaking my mind when I see things I don't like or doesn't make sense and don't have to worry about being fired or disciplined for it. As far as your survey it really wouldn't hold water because human nature will always prevail, no matter how good things are they could always be better! See there you go, I want I want I want, nothing wrong with that either! One should never just settle, life's to short to just let a certain few at the top to make all the money, it should be spread around to the ground troops who actually do the hard labor. The ones who sacrifice home time with there family's to make these greedy upper management people filthy rich!! You damn well deserve your fair share, I know a gentleman who runs a small trucking company in Pittsburgh with around 10 regular drivers and A few of his retired teamster friends who fill in When the regular guys are on vacation, at the end of the year when all the bills are paid and the maintenance accounts and other payables are taken care of a portion of the profits are split among the employees and everyone feels as though they are apart of the big picture. It's a win win for everyone, the same drivers have been here for years and seem to be happy knowing their appreciated for their hard work!! Sharing the profits is a small price to pay for happy employees!! Working for someone who respect you for your hard work speaks volumes!
 
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Getoverit said:
"See there you go, I want I want I want, nothing wrong with that either!"
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We taught our children that the "I want, I want, I want" mantra is answered with "What are you going to do to earn it? What sacrifices are you willing to make to get it?" That teaches them what they want is within their reach should they be willing to prioritize their wants and make the sacrifices required to get it.

Getoverit said:
...life's to short to just let a certain few at the top to make all the money, it should be spread around to the ground troops who actually do the hard labor. The ones who sacrifice home time with there family's to make these greedy upper management people filthy rich!!
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A certain few don't make all the money. They make a significant portion because they also make/made significant sacrifices and investment. "You" (generic not specific) have to sacrifice home time with your family because of career choices you made. It is not an easy job. It is not without sacrifices. But I don't hear anybody claiming it is. You have great benefits, almost 100K a year and 30 days paid vacation a year.....without knowing the difference between to and too, their and there....yet you believe you deserve more?

Getoverit said:
Sharing the profits is a small price to pay for happy employees!! Working for someone who respect you for your hard work speaks volumes!
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Yes it does. On this we agree.
 
SwampRatt said:
1) Yeah, some things can be accomplished, without full organization. The squeaky wheel comes to mind. I recall the correction of the 1 min. idle, many years ago. We got them to move it from 1 min to 3 min before shut down. I was unaware of the "muscle" that was used to force Michelin to reformulate their tires. That is great, Red. If only we could focus that kind of effort on compensation, and unsurpassed Customer service, who knows what could be accomplished.

2) Continue your decert (CLT) campaign, if you must. I just question the wisdom of starting that campaign the day after you lost the election. You know NOTHING can happen until after representation has been given a full year. YOU yourself loudly (and proudly) proclaim that there will be a (YEARS) long court battle, before that year ever begins. MOST (NOT just T.B. members) on the loosing side are able to accept that loss and go on, rather than hamper the process, thereby giving the process a chance to work. Both sides have a window that will open up to readdress the issue. There are times to do what needs done, and times to stand by. Most, it seems, are able to tell the difference.

3) Clearly the "3 guys" reference was pertaining to this message board, not the entire system. With few exceptions, those whose center is no longer "in play" have been pretty silent. The result of their individual vote (or pull), seems to be honored. The main exceptions to that have been those debating and/or correcting you and your support group. Again, MOST hope success comes from the process, regardless of the voting results. Your closed shop vs RTW seems to be your default excuse for everything to do with CLT. The fact everyone has not signed up to pay dues at this point, is not indicative of support or lack there of.



Come on, Red. Certainly you realize that I meant the term "Pest" in the most affectionate way possible. Is that really "name calling"? Either you are becoming entirely too sensitive, or I am becoming too insensitive to the feelings of others. Which is it?:idunno:
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1) I agree, many things can be accomplished when we stand together, possibly including compensation and unsurpassed Customer service, we just disagree on what method should be used in order to obtain these accomplishments. We've moved mountains in the past without the need of a third party, I see no reason why we can't continue to do so.

2) Again, you may need a new source for your info, this campaign started long before our election ever took place, I joined the fight two weeks before ours. Just curious as to your motive for continuously asking me to "give the process a chance" but you have no problem with guys like CT bashing the company in order to drum up support at his center even though his center lost...I have yet to see you call him out. Perhaps you guys aren't happy with the fact that the news of the dwindling support in CLT has made it to other centers who may/may not be trying to sign cards, thus hampering their efforts, who knows. As for me, I disagree with the process, therefor I'll continue to campaign in order to ensure we'll have the support we need when/if the decert day ever comes...our goal is to have all but the 40 or so die hard union supporters on our side by then...and it looks like we'll have a while to gain that support.

3) How can you make this statement when you couldn't possibly know who everyone on here is and what center they're domiciled? As for how many future dues paying members there are IS indicative of how much support they have since the IBT is a business and they NEED money to operate. Do you honestly believe that the local will stick around for 30-40 out of 225 guys paying $70 a month, or $2,800 vs $15,750 a month if everyone was on board...I doubt it...therefor my my use of RTW vs closed shop is far from an excuse, it's more like reality.

My skin is about as thick as they come, regardless of your "intentions", it is what it is....very seldom do I get offended...or resort to name calling.
 
You no proof to back up your magical numbers red, just like when the vote happened at your center your wrong once again. Drum up support???? none of the guys from my terminal have even heard of tb especially the no votes except for your mouth piece up here who is one of the laziest people here.
 
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EX396 said:
We taught our children that the "I want, I want, I want" mantra is answered with "What are you going to do to earn it? What sacrifices are you willing to make to get it?" That teaches them what they want is within their reach should they be willing to prioritize their wants and make the sacrifices required to get it.



A certain few don't make all the money. They make a significant portion because they also make/made significant sacrifices and investment. "You" (generic not specific) have to sacrifice home time with your family because of career choices you made. It is not an easy job. It is not without sacrifices. But I don't hear anybody claiming it is. You have great benefits, almost 100K a year and 30 days paid vacation a year.....without knowing the difference between to and too, their and there....yet you believe you deserve more?



Yes it does. On this we agree.
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I guess if all I had to worry about was too, to, their, there and so on I would be as perfect as some would like us to believe they are. I guess one gets the point which to me is all that matters!! By the way I do know the difference but when I'm in a hurry I tend to get my point across and I do screw up, sorry to the grammar police! LOL
 
Crazy Trucker said:
You no proof to back up your magical numbers red, just like when the vote happened at your center your wrong once again. Drum up support???? none of the guys from my terminal have even heard of tb especially the no votes except for your mouth piece up here who is one of the laziest people here.
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Similar to your numbers and how you knew how your terminal was going to vote? And there is no doubt you're trying to drum up support for the cause, which is fine but don't deny it.
 
johndeere4020 said:
Similar to your numbers and how you knew how your terminal was going to vote? And there is no doubt you're trying to drum up support for the cause, which is fine but don't deny it.
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Well since you can't comprehend very well, or just refuse to respond to my posts with anything credible. I will say it again maybe i need to use capital letters for you. I COULD CARE LESS IF WE HAVE A UNION OR NOT. IF FED EX WOULD GIVE US A COMPETITIVE BENEFITS PACKAGE ALONG WITH A SET IN STONE RULE BOOK I WOULD BE HAPPY AS A CLAM. WHY DO I NEED TO DRUM UP SUPPORT WE VOTED NO AND CAN'T DO ANYTHING TILL NEXT JANUARY? I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ANY BETTER.
 
Redracer3136 said:
1) I agree, many things can be accomplished when we stand together, possibly including compensation and unsurpassed Customer service, we just disagree on what method should be used in order to obtain these accomplishments. We've moved mountains in the past without the need of a third party, I see no reason why we can't continue to do so.

2) Again, you may need a new source for your info, this campaign started long before our election ever took place, I joined the fight two weeks before ours. Just curious as to your motive for continuously asking me to "give the process a chance" but you have no problem with guys like CT bashing the company in order to drum up support at his center even though his center lost...I have yet to see you call him out. Perhaps you guys aren't happy with the fact that the news of the dwindling support in CLT has made it to other centers who may/may not be trying to sign cards, thus hampering their efforts, who knows. As for me, I disagree with the process, therefor I'll continue to campaign in order to ensure we'll have the support we need when/if the decert day ever comes...our goal is to have all but the 40 or so die hard union supporters on our side by then...and it looks like we'll have a while to gain that support.

3) How can you make this statement when you couldn't possibly know who everyone on here is and what center they're domiciled? As for how many future dues paying members there are IS indicative of how much support they have since the IBT is a business and they NEED money to operate. Do you honestly believe that the local will stick around for 30-40 out of 225 guys paying $70 a month, or $2,800 vs $15,750 a month if everyone was on board...I doubt it...therefor my my use of RTW vs closed shop is far from an excuse, it's more like reality.

My skin is about as thick as they come, regardless of your "intentions", it is what it is....very seldom do I get offended...or resort to name calling.
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I hate to be a "pest", but...

1) I agree, mountains can be moved. The key is to be organized, either within the company or without. As challenging as this effort has been, at times, it pales in comparison, to the challenge of getting drivers organized without professional representation. The Company did not listen very much before. That door was kept closed. The door is cracked open slightly, today. Can you say with any certainty, that we (you & me) can get that door opened fully, with no assistance?

2) Just making observations... I see (and hear of) very little (none) active campaigning from either loosing side AFTER the votes have been counted. The YES voters "seem" to have given the Company "a chance", where the vote was NO. Also, the locations that pulled, also seem to have waited the proper amount of time to see how the process plays out. Many of those have been disappointed. Most NO voters (at YES centers) seem to be giving the process a chance as well, IMHO. As to condemning CT (or not), he seems to have merely reported the "results" of the vote. Keeping us updated on what happened, and most importantly what didn't happen. Promises that he says were not kept. I can only take him at his word, much like I do with you, Red. I've not questioned your honesty, nor will I question his. He makes a solid case for injustice at his center regarding the lack of GPD adjustment.

I'll leave #3 alone, other than to say: We all have contacts that we trust. The credibility of mine is confirmed by the consistency of information that comes from different sources at different locations. I only share what needs to be shared.

In case you haven't noticed, less and less info is being put out for public consumption. Partially by design...

Note: Pest: 3) one that pesters or annoys :nuisance :poke:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pest
 
EX396 said:
I will start with the low hanging fruit.....EX Industries.:mf swordfight:

I thought there were rules against posting real Shippers' names. I just re-read the rules posted here and didn't see such thing....however, given my recent "no questions asked" 10 day ban from an un-named overzealous moderator who misinterpreted a post of mine. I'm not taking any chances.
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Very nice, Ex. Well played! :hilarious: :notworthy:

Didn't know about the ban... I do recall you being AWOL for a bit. I figured a vacation. I think Company names, are by definition, in the public domain, and not subject to censor. There is always the private message/conversation method.

I am vaguely familiar with Ex Industries :poke:Tough to challenge the CEO on the practices of his own company, BUT... I think we can. Since we never specified LTL in the discussion of not using ANY Union carrier, I'm pretty certain if I could be provided contact info (privately?) for ANY company (including Ex Industries), I could prove that company does use, and certainly has used, the services of one Union carrier. Most likely 2 Union represented carriers.

One is Teamster represented (UPS), the other, APWU, an AFL-CIO affiliate (USPS).

Where is that Runawaytrain? The one who started this. Is this Check? Or Checkmate?
 
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SwampRatt said:
I hate to be a "pest", but...

1) I agree, mountains can be moved. The key is to be organized, either within the company or without. As challenging as this effort has been, at times, it pales in comparison, to the challenge of getting drivers organized without professional representation. The Company did not listen very much before. That door was kept closed. The door is cracked open slightly, today. Can you say with any certainty, that we (you & me) can get that door opened fully, with no assistance?

2) Just making observations... I see (and hear of) very little (none) active campaigning from either loosing side AFTER the votes have been counted. The YES voters "seem" to have given the Company "a chance", where the vote was NO. Also, the locations that pulled, also seem to have waited the proper amount of time to see how the process plays out. Many of those have been disappointed. Most NO voters (at YES centers) seem to be giving the process a chance as well, IMHO. As to condemning CT (or not), he seems to have merely reported the "results" of the vote. Keeping us updated on what happened, and most importantly what didn't happen. Promises that he says were not kept. I can only take him at his word, much like I do with you, Red. I've not questioned your honesty, nor will I question his. He makes a solid case for injustice at his center regarding the lack of GPD adjustment.

I'll leave #3 alone, other than to say: We all have contacts that we trust. The credibility of mine is confirmed by the consistency of information that comes from different sources at different locations. I only share what needs to be shared.

In case you haven't noticed, less and less info is being put out for public consumption. Partially by design...

Note: Pest: 3) one that pesters or annoys :nuisance :poke:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pest
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Swamp, no one is forcing you to be here nor are they forcing you to respond.

1) Yes, I believe we can open the door fully and walk right through....without the need of a third party.

2) Things aren't always what they "seem", just because you don't "hear" of any campaigning doesn't mean it isn't happening...on both sides...at many centers. Perhaps one could now consider this a "national" movement.

3) I'll agree.

Loose lips sink ships...and unfortunately for your side you have to many drivers who like to talk to other drivers whom they "think" are on their side. Perhaps you should design your inner circle to be a little tighter, you never know who may be listening in on a "conference call".

So to refer to someone as a pest would indeed be considered "name calling"....and again, I thought you were above this..."seems" your not as professional as I thought.
 
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Redracer3136 said:
So to refer to someone as a pest would indeed be considered "name calling"....and again, I thought you were above this..."seems" your not as professional as I thought.
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I hate to be a pest, but I certainly am, on occasion. I have a former dispatcher who I affectionately refer to as "the pest". He is/was not offended, because he knew there was an element of truth to it. In fact, one day I'll tell you where I'm out of (if you don't already know), and you can call anonymously, and ask to speak to "the pest". They will put you right through... To the right person, hence the element of truth.

Some of us still remember rule 6 and actually do it (have fun). I'll try to remember not to call you such offensive"names" in the future, and risk sacrificing my professionalism. :grouphug:
 
SwampRatt said:
I hate to be a pest, but I certainly am, on occasion. I have a former dispatcher who I affectionately refer to as "the pest". He is/was not offended, because he knew there was an element of truth to it. In fact, one day I'll tell you where I'm out of (if you don't already know), and you can call anonymously, and ask to speak to "the pest". They will put you right through... To the right person, hence the element of truth.

Some of us still remember rule 6 and actually do it (have fun). I'll try to remember not to call you such offensive"names" in the future, and risk sacrificing my professionalism. :grouphug:
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Again, I didn't take offense to anything, just pointing out the principal in the matter. What we do at our respective centers isn't neccasiarily acceptable in the general public...as my wife continuously likes to remind me.
I personally feel you're above the name calling, stooping to the levels of others doesn't pump you up but rather brings you down.
 
Redracer3136 said:
Again, I didn't take offense to anything, just pointing out the principal in the matter. What we do at our respective centers isn't neccasiarily acceptable in the general public...as my wife continuously likes to remind me.
I personally feel you're above the name calling, stooping to the levels of others doesn't pump you up but rather brings you down.
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SwampRatt said:
Very nice, Ex. Well played! :hilarious: :notworthy:

I am vaguely familiar with Ex Industries :poke:Tough to challenge the CEO on the practices of his own company, BUT... I think we can.
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Ha, ha, I am an officer but not the CEO.

With the use of the internet we don't send snail mail. When the debate started I said "when given reasonable alternatives". However, I did say "Can I play? Can I play? So I guess I was joing version 1.1 instead of 1.0.

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Where is that Runawaytrain? The one who started this. Is this Check? Or Checkmate?
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I'd call "Stalemate" if anything as he was coming on board agreeing with me. In the context of this forum we were speaking about LTL and companies choosing not to utilize union carriers when given reasonable alternatives.
 
EX396 said:
I'd call "Stalemate" if anything as he was coming on board agreeing with me. In the context of this forum we were speaking about LTL and companies choosing not to utilize union carriers when given reasonable alternatives.
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I'm not in "check" and have no legal move. Ex is correct ... As usual. Strategy in the endgame? You tell me Ratt.
 
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