You mentioned deregulation of trucking where the downward spiral began, that is when unionization was strongest also....you didn't explicitly say it but its an easy conclusion....both sides suck and if you are saying Republicans are for the working man that is a joke as one republican voted against deregulation, even if Carter had vetoed it they had the bipartisan votes to over ride it...as you are aware the teamsters don't give one dime to either side, that would be DRIVE who members give money to voluntarily....but you knew that...
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Regardless of which party brought deregulation about, its implementation was inevitable. The real problem was the failure of the Teamsters Union to get out and promote unionization in the many companies that were formed or which grew after deregulation. There is no reason why the current non union companies couldn't have been union. That way we all would have been on a level playing field and we would have had industry wide clout and we'd all be doing much better. Of course the unsavory reputation of the old time Teamster organization didn't do much to help with organizing either, and I say that as a 50 year Teamster.
Agree 100%, Teamsters have been far from perfect, but what organization is?....also look at the quality of some of our past membership organizers, we have one on here that I doubt could organize a desk drawer let alone a company....
It would be for me if they had same benes as ups & yellow , new penn , ABF
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The ATA would much rather have Biden bring in immigrants to drive for them...which they've already requested.
And 18 year olds. Just a bunch of assholes, they are. Greedy *******.
They use theories , such as supply and demand, only when it suits their greed and cheapness. If there are a lot of drivers as when they got their spoiled brat ways with deregulation for decades....drivers were a dime a dozen they'd say......when they are not a dime a dozen they lobby for immigrants and 18 year olds and women so they don't have to pay.
A bunch of lying sons of bitches who are damned lucky anybody does this job.
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Then we can say that the Teamster saw these new companies as no threat or they thought. I think this all came to head when CF shut it's doors. Then they tried to go after all the non union companies.
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One of the main thing that dereg showed that many of these company could not continue to operate without govt pricing and operating authority control. This is the same problem we in this country have with our healthcare system.
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Those job openings on indeed include all postions within OD. If you cut out every postion but driver then you down to 228. That no far off from ABF 192. as per their web sites. Then you can add 23 driver school for OD and 35 for ABF. When you get down to it everyone looking for drivers union and non.
That was my point..
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If they wouldn't have deregulated along with other attacks on unions...imports etc...
There would have been no cry for Obamacare.
Imo the attacks on unions and favoring nonunions.....brought the socialist spending.
You didn't have the need for socialist stuff when unions had bigger numbers in the private sector. You got your needs met thru contract in the market. Companies provide only what they can get away with for profits sake...and that does not necessarily provide needs for employees.
While that does have some truth to it, think of this....many of those companies had payed millions of dollars to get the operating authority in certain areas by buying other companies solely for the territory.....then the government comes along and opens it up to anybody with a truck....the existing company still owes millions the upstart owes nothing...that isn't exactly a level playing field...
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Wait that's wrong as per OV-10. He tells us that companies back then grew organically through expansion. Now your tell us that they bought other companies????? Well then that's what he call a roll up company just like CCX/Con-Way/XPO the one he's worked for for years.
See you just posted a great example of what happens when big govt is involed. Before the dereg big govt had set controls on the pricing and authority causing company to spend million to buy some out just to move into an area. It also proves that these companies need those control from the govt to stay afloat.
Yes many companies did start after dereg, but how did places like Estes founded in 1931 and OD founded in 1934 survive and big companies like PIE, APA, Preston, and CF not? Oh wait I guess I should leave CF out of that list because if it wasn't for CF's money OV-10 wouldn't have a job. That what they all blame CF down fall on
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Do you really need someone to explain to you how Estes and OD managed to survive after de-regulation? Well, for starters, until just recently, Estes did not pay time-and-a-half for overtime until after 55 hours. OD did not pay overtime until after 60 hours. Would you like for me to focus on pension and insurance comparisons as well?
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Well no. to me it looks to me they ran a better business model then ones that closed. You also know that wioth those companies closing they flooded the market with driver which also drove the value of the driver down. Not many knew how to do anything else and trucking companies used it to there advantage.
Your also saying that Estes and OD followed the labor laws set up buy the govt as it applies to OT in the trucking industry? That same law that's been here since 1930's and was revised in 2009. So why haven't those you say that are for the working man change it. Many times they have had full control in Washington?
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Where have I ever said which political affiliation I was? You asked how these two companies survived deregulation while others did not and I gave you one example why. The pay and benefits were not as good as the ones that were under the NMFA. And by saying that the companies that closed flooded the market with drivers that drove the value of the driver down, you are admitting that it was because of the Teamsters that the market for drivers pay was high. Both union and non- union. The non’s paid good as well to keep the union out. Personally, I don’t think anyone or party has any concern about the working man unless it is key in getting them re-elected. Both sides suck!!!
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I didn't say a political affiliation. I was just referring to the ones the union keep telling us are for the working man.
Who forced these companies to agree to a contract they couldn't fulfill. no one
To be honest with you it doesn't matter what OV says now does it? If you are replying to me it really only matters what I said...
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When these companies agreed to these contracts, they had no idea that the prices they paid for these other companies for the territories they operated in were going to be taken away with de- regulation. FBN, you seem to be a smart guy. Why are you asking questions you already know the answer to?
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Yes. When you have to much of anyone thing the price for it goes down. So union companies that agreed to contract they could fulfill and closing there doors flood the market with drivers bring there value down. So in turn the union are partly to blame for the stagnet wages in the trucking industry. Now if those said companies would still be open today where would we be now? Some say the union companies are setting the standard? Does that still hold true today? Right now places are begging for driver and offering tons of perks. Top rate, benefits day one and even advance PTO time.