Ok you say he's going to get $3,200 a month so that means he's been union for over 32yrs that's great for him he deserves it. Now let's do math you pay $320 a month on insurance That's 10hrs of OT per month or 2 1/2 per week are you saying you don't get overtime? I think our healthcare sucks but what are you willing to give up for better insurance? Overtime, $2 an hour P T 401k match. Or vacation it's going to be something because all the **** your pulling out your ass is not going to happen!
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Ok you say he's going to get $3,200 a month so that means he's been union for over 32yrs that's great for him he deserves it. Now let's do math you pay $320 a month on insurance That's 10hrs of OT per month or 2 1/2 per week are you saying you don't get overtime? I think our healthcare sucks but what are you willing to give up for better insurance? Overtime, $2 an hour P T 401k match. Or vacation it's going to be something because all the **** your pulling out your ass is not going to happen!
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Is Fedex Freight in trouble with creditors, Big 10-4?
Are they going bankrupt?
Are they going bankrupt?
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Yes, I will give up something. First I am giving up my fear of being fired at will. I'll take job security. Next I'll give up paying $4,160 a year for the privilege of paying an additional 30% of hospital bills, dental bills, and ridiculous ($85) co pays for an inhaler for my wife once a month. I'll take union benefits which are far superior to our welfare plan. Then I'll give up our garbage policy of getting written up for calling out sick. I'll take the way it is at union shops. Which is pick up the phone and say Mr. *** booking off, and hang up. No doctor's note or justification needed. It's a sick or personal day. Then we will discuss vacation. I'll give up our ridiculous policy in place now, ONE guy off a week, no more. I'll take seniority with a union bid for vacation coupled with what is in the contract concerning manpower. And no union shop in America that I know of would EVER agree to no overtime. Unions put that overtime pay into existence.
Will we lose the 401k match? Most likely. In its place is a pension plan (in writing by the way) that currently pays $105 a month for every year of service. I will still add to my 401k even though they won't match it. In fact, with the extra money I am not paying out, I could effectively put what I would have spent on benefits and copays into the 401k and be even better off in the long run. Certainly a lot better off than we are now.
Will we lose the 401k match? Most likely. In its place is a pension plan (in writing by the way) that currently pays $105 a month for every year of service. I will still add to my 401k even though they won't match it. In fact, with the extra money I am not paying out, I could effectively put what I would have spent on benefits and copays into the 401k and be even better off in the long run. Certainly a lot better off than we are now.
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This is like waiting for Christmas. There's a thought, a vote Christmas eve.
C'mon man !! Your going to bring that ? So you think fedex is the government they should just throw out money when we got in this business they said starting pay is X amount and top pay is X amount you should of said no thanks i want UPS money !! So let's cut this bull**** out.and get back to business when it comes time we are going to lose something! ! You can't set there and say no !
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you mean vote HELL YES right. cause we have a whole lot more to gain then lose
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Who says that's the pension plan you will get? And something else I would like to bring up and I guess this is as good a place as any so here we go. Concerning insurance, and this is neither pro or con union. The insurance situation in this country is screwed up and I see nothing in the near future that indicates that it will get better. I believe the teamster health care is self funded just like fedex. And trust me you can call me anything you want but the union will get theirs. At the the contract negotiations the will tell you how much healthcare has increased and how much you will pay. Now I have no idea what is going to happen and before you tell me neither do any of you. But with millions of baby boomers retiring every day and the government doing god knows what it will be hard to predict. I do agree that as if right now the union does have better more stable healthcare but I'm not sure i would base my decision on Heath care alone.
Millions of baby boomers retiring each day? I see you get the same 'facts' about the union as you do everything else.
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Yeah..the OT monies is paying of the 20-30% of the medical bills on payment plans due to the amounts owed for most drivers I know. The ones that practice what they preach and pay bills with cash and not credit.
I don't buy the ACA blame for non negotiated rates for specialists. Everyone and their mother that I know whose company has made major changes still has negotiated rates.
And what the hell else are drivers who made it through the recession, managed to keep their jobs, relocated, watched co workers get laid off, downsized, filed BK, lost homes...on and on and on...supposed to sacrifice now!? Geezus.. It has not been that long ago, some drivers are still barley getting by after pulling themselves up from that mess.
I don't buy the ACA blame for non negotiated rates for specialists. Everyone and their mother that I know whose company has made major changes still has negotiated rates.
And what the hell else are drivers who made it through the recession, managed to keep their jobs, relocated, watched co workers get laid off, downsized, filed BK, lost homes...on and on and on...supposed to sacrifice now!? Geezus.. It has not been that long ago, some drivers are still barley getting by after pulling themselves up from that mess.
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OK, this is what we are going to do, when you know darn well what I meant, then that's the way we will precede. I misspoke I guess, but "millions" has became slang and I'm guilty of using it. You've never said "I've been there a million times" or something similar, good for you. As far as my "facts" come on debunk them. Most of what I've said has been from my personal experience and I've done my best to convey it that way. I will be a little more precise statistically 8000 a day turn 65 (per AARP) and 10,000 a day are expected to retire and that is going to impact a lot, from health insurance to retirement.
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Is that Springfield soda or Shasta soda?
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I have a good job and a contract. I didn't take me long to realize that this wasn't for me and I moved on.
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I don't really care which side of the fence anyone is on. That is for everyone to figure out on their own. I too have my time in with the union and I was also in the same local as you. I see things differently from my experience. As I have stated many times the Union is not perfect, but compared to what we have I will take it any day of the week.
I don't really care which side of the fence anyone is on. That is for everyone to figure out on their own. I too have my time in with the union and I was also in the same local as you. I see things differently from my experience. As I have stated many times the Union is not perfect, but compared to what we have I will take it any day of the week.
In every forum i read its says somewwhere, "Get your facts straight." And i realize that everyone has an opinion, as long as it is pro - union. But you need to get the facts straight as to why FEDEX doesn't want a union. But to understand this. you need to know why FEDEX Freight is the biggest most profitable LTL carrier in the world. It is the CUSTOMER, thats right the CUSTOMER. And i am sure that you will all dis-agree with this next statement, becaiuse you just don't know the facts. The majority of businesses that use LTL carriers do not want to use a Union carrier. By using a Union carrier, the customer is not able to get the flexibility they need or want to service their CUSTOMERS. And there is always the uncertainty of contract negotioans and strikes. I know i said the nasty "S" word. But that is how the US Customer base thinks. And until you have worked at both a union and non-union carrier as a driver and also in leadership you will not fully understand what this means. Customers will jump ship to a non-union carrier and that is how they will lose money. I am sure there will be some bashing as to how this is BS. But this is a fact and you can't sell FEDEX you your CUSTOMERS if the CUSTOMERS are shipping with someone else.
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You most certainly do care what side of the fence people are on, which is fine. I have yet to see you comment positively to an anti union poster or correct an pro union poster.
Last point 1st.I can say it's very doubtful (nearly impossible), we'll loose anything. This is a different market. A market that values the skills we bring to the table. Skills that are in short supply. We should be able to negotiate from a position of strength. Not unlike buying a car. if there is a lot full (of the one you want/need) unsold, you can get em cheap (if you negotiate), when there are very few available, you'll pay more... You see, it's not a static number of give/take. It's also supply and demand. And treatment (perks) and rules (warranty) enter into the negotiation. Wild concept huh?
On the other point, your premise is wrong. the actual truth is, before FedEx bought AF, We were the highest paid non-union ltl company. We also worked under a set of business principals, that worked very well. FedEx reduced the rate of growth in our compensation, while also stripping away the very business principals of the company that I/we hired on to. The only one I see they still abide by is #5. So NO, We didn't exactly sign on for this...
"What principals?" you might ask... These:
1. Take care of our people.
2. Take care of our customers.
3. Honor our commitments.
4. Work hard, smart, and safely—and
work together.
5. Make the most of resources.
6. Have fun
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I work for ABF as a city driver. as for flexibility, the company will bend over backwards to fullfill a customers needs. Like life itself, every company has slackers, the union doesn't have a copyright on it, despite rumors to the contrary. Customers want A1 service and like other carriers, it's our job to give it to them, for if not, we lose them, basic business there. I enjoy job protection from managers who think we can do the impossible when they get into a jam. I have a contract that has built in protections with levels of punishment, that applies to all drivers, no favorites. I can debate with my manager in a civilized manner, express my concerns, and if needed have my union rep involved to solve a problem without reprecusions. I'm a professional driver, an adult and expect to be treated accordingly. teamsters provide my family with company paid blu/cross/blu shd with my monthly dues around 60ish. Try to find that in today's market. are we perfect ? is anything perfect in todays world ? no, but the union gives me better working conditions and a voice to be heard . I wish you guys well, whatever direction you take.
Obviously I am pro-union. This doesn't mean I care which you vote for. Do I say what the union is going to do for you like you say what it isn't?