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FedEx Freight | Congress Passed Pension Cuts

Crazy Trucker said:
And we would have a pension just like UPS, so this thread has nothing to do with us at all.
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First, you would only have whatever FedEx would agree to give you, not whatever you want.
Second, my point with the link was to show that the IBT/companies aren't as much about the "brotherhood" as some would like you to think....the grass aint always greener.
 
Redracer3136 said:
What your link actually shows is that in both years represented, the amount of employees represented by unions (freeloaders) outnumbers the amount of actual union members! When we factor in that less than half of the states, (24 out of 50), are Right To Work states where forced unionization is illegal, that number becomes staggering!
This graph also shows another startling graphic...when you look at the total amount of members/non-members for the 25-34 demographic compared to the 35-44 demographic and up, you see a BIG drop off in the numbers. Why? Could it be because this is the age group where most people "start" their employement with a union employer and then leave within the first ten years due to continuous layoffs, lack of work, no advancement in seniority, better employment opportunities, etc...?
Private sector unions are experiencing a slow and painful death while it's members who were lied to are trying to hang on...and I don't blame them. What baffles me is why anyone would want to join in their misery?
Public sector unions make up a majority of the union memberships numbers and those numbers will probably never see decline since they're forcibly funded by the taxpayers....just one of the many reasons that even FDR was opposed to public sector unions.
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Good lord man, FDR was not opposed to public sector unions. He was opposed to those public sector unions striking. This quote is relating to just that.

“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. ... Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities.”

http://archive.federaltimes.com/art...recting-misinformation-FDR-8217-s-union-views
 
Redracer3136 said:
Seems like the beloved UPS has put the screws to the Central States pension fund!
I say beloved UPS because of those who like to use UPS as an example when arguing for union representation.

http://makeupsdeliver.org/

UPS lobbyist fought for and won a special loophole just for UPS, relieving them of paying for cuts to the Central States pension, cuts that their retirees were already protected from....saving UPS $2 Billion!!!!
What a GREAT union company!!!!
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How many other pension funds does UPS continue to contribute to? The WCPT is just one.
http://www.wctpension.org/

UPS is a company just like FedEx. The difference is, UPS is under contract with the Teamsters Union. Remember how Uncle Freddy held the nation captive over a bit of legislation? Yep, that sure made America proud as he threatened to give the French Air Bus the nod over the American produced Boeing aircraft just to get his way. Business is business right?
http://worldairlinenews.com/2009/03/25/fedex-threatens-to-cancel-boeing-orders/
 
222lifer said:
Good lord man, FDR was not opposed to public sector unions. He was opposed to those public sector unions striking. This quote is relating to just that.

“All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. ... Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities.”

http://archive.federaltimes.com/art...recting-misinformation-FDR-8217-s-union-views
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You post an article written by the president of a labor union....really? What did you expect him to say?
 
222lifer said:
How many other pension funds does UPS continue to contribute to? The WCPT is just one.
http://www.wctpension.org/

UPS is a company just like FedEx. The difference is, UPS is under contract with the Teamsters Union. Remember how Uncle Freddy held the nation captive over a bit of legislation? Yep, that sure made America proud as he threatened to give the French Air Bus the nod over the American produced Boeing aircraft just to get his way. Business is business right?
http://worldairlinenews.com/2009/03/25/fedex-threatens-to-cancel-boeing-orders/
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So how did he "hold the nation captive?"
I'd call it a smart business decision, he got what he wanted....without help from the govt.
 
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222lifer said:
How many other pension funds does UPS continue to contribute to? The WCPT is just one.
http://www.wctpension.org/

UPS is a company just like FedEx. The difference is, UPS is under contract with the Teamsters Union. Remember how Uncle Freddy held the nation captive over a bit of legislation? Yep, that sure made America proud as he threatened to give the French Air Bus the nod over the American produced Boeing aircraft just to get his way. Business is business right?
http://worldairlinenews.com/2009/03/25/fedex-threatens-to-cancel-boeing-orders/
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I also noticed you avoided my pension trust like the plague. There are many funds in the green. Too bad all the busters ever talk about are the few that are in deep trouble. Even those that are under the watchful eye have made great gains as of late and will right themselves without further intervention.
 
Redracer3136 said:
That's not necessarily true, I went to work for AF because they were a non-union company, therefor I was also thinking about the company as well as myself. I had choices and I made mine.
I grew up with plenty of guys that worked for union companies, Freightliner, Yellow Freight, and Carolina Freight with the older guys, and they were constantly being laid off or just weren't worked at all. Those who worked for non-union companies, Watkins, Wilson, Southeastern, didn't experience such problems.
The choice was a no brainier for me.
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Funny, one of the main complaints around Salt Lake from the FedEx proud is the way they will starve a guy during the winter rather than lay him off. Keeping up the appearance of never laying any employees off. We lay them off and work them causal until the freight flow improves. I know many that will take voluntary layoff during the winter months and head to a warmer climate for work or pleasure.
 
Redracer3136 said:
Seems like the beloved UPS has put the screws to the Central States pension fund!
I say beloved UPS because of those who like to use UPS as an example when arguing for union representation.

http://makeupsdeliver.org/

UPS lobbyist fought for and won a special loophole just for UPS, relieving them of paying for cuts to the Central States pension, cuts that their retirees were already protected from....saving UPS $2 Billion!!!!
What a GREAT union company!!!!
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Thanks for posting this, Redracer!

Now THAT is some BS legislation right there. It seems to protect one company from it's agreed to obligations, at the expense of others in the pension fund.

Looks like the Teamsters did a good job of crafting the UPS contract, protecting retirees from failing pension funds. They remain protected. A good thing. Then along comes our elected representative in Washington, influenced by a powerful company, undermining the pension of retirees NOT subject to the UPS contract. UPS benefits, at the expense of the struggling pension funds and their (non-UPS) members.

Thank You Washington, DC.:nono h4h:
 
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Did these people tell you what a Ponzi scheme is? These bankers?The ones who manufacture your consent to steal our retirees pensions and maybe all money soon?

What are ya gonna tell the peoole when they take it ALL not just uniin money.
More uniin members was/is best defense for our nations people.


http://modernsurvivalblog.com/curre...s-your-money-becomes-theirs-in-the-next-crisi
johndeere4020 said:
Do you know what a Ponzi scheme is? The pension system is kind of a Ponzi scheme, it relies on new members to pay for old ones to an extent.
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Vanguard group owns both of you.
Wonder how much role they play in both companies retirement plans.

Redracer3136 said:
Seems like the beloved UPS has put the screws to the Central States pension fund!
I say beloved UPS because of those who like to use UPS as an example when arguing for union representation.

http://makeupsdeliver.org/

UPS lobbyist fought for and won a special loophole just for UPS, relieving them of paying for cuts to the Central States pension, cuts that their retirees were already protected from....saving UPS $2 Billion!!!!
What a GREAT union company!!!!
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slavenomore said:
Best to stick with your own kind Red.
Trust 401k's?

He's got a pen and a phone (Obama or any party Pres) One swipe of pen and its gone.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2013/09/17/polands-piggish-pols-theyre-not-alone
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Your link points out one thing...that Obama and the Commucrats share the same ideology as the Polish govt, and it's that same ideology that has caused their country to become bankrupt...like so many others.
It also mentioned something most already knew, Obama has already floated the idea of "taking" a percentage of American's 401K plans...and that idea went over like a lead ballon!
 
222lifer said:
Funny, one of the main complaints around Salt Lake from the FedEx proud is the way they will starve a guy during the winter rather than lay him off. Keeping up the appearance of never laying any employees off. We lay them off and work them causal until the freight flow improves. I know many that will take voluntary layoff during the winter months and head to a warmer climate for work or pleasure.
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During the winter months here, drivers are offered dock work if no city/road runs are available...most city guys seize the opportunity, most road guys don't. If one chooses not to work, that's there decision, but work is offered.
 
Crazy Trucker said:
Exactly provide wages that is it with you guys. But to get and retain employees they better come up with a good benefits package or they will have a lot of turnover and not keep quality employees.
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We have obtained and retained the quality employees we desire. Our benefit package is ZERO. No paid vacation, no paid sick days, no paid holidays, no company provided health insurance, no company funded retirement plan of any sort. What we do provide are wages. Wages that are 74% higher than our competitors. In a lower paying job that difference isn't enough to cover those other things. Paid vacation, paid sick days, paid holidays probably make about 10-20% of just about everybody's wages. That leaves 54-64% to cover your health insurance and retirement. If you saved 25% of your pay for retirement and put another 20% towards health insurance you are 10-20% higher paid here vs. there. If your spouses' employer provided insurance for the family you could be up 30-40%.
 
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