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nobody said:
I'll bet real money you weren't there when Suggs came in (back). Look, you and everyone else may have legitimate reasons for hating him, but the point I was trying to make, and what others have backed up is this; UP was going to shut Overnite down because they were tired of screwing with the union and the attitudes and owning a sho' nuff money looser. Suggs came in, shut the union down, and made the company into a money maker.

Anybody besides me remember when UP had to withdraw their IPO for O'nite because no one was interested?

Suggs may very well be a hateful, awful, wife beating *****. But, give the devil his due, I promise you, that if he had not stepped in there would be no Overnite.

Nobody remembers.
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Let me see. The old pre-Leo non-union Overnite. Losing money. About to be shut down by it's parent company. UPS. Union for most of it's 100 years. One of the most successful and profitable money-making machines in the WORLD. UPS'es UNION employees work hard but enjoy some of the best pay and benefits in the industry. So can anyone tell me why a companies' inabilty to turn a profit and succeed is always blamed on the unions instead of on poor management? UPS knows how to make a company successful and profitable. They will apply that ability to UPS Freight, regardless of whether they are union or not. Any Questios?
 
concerned citizen said:
Let me see. The old pre-Leo non-union Overnite. Losing money. About to be shut down by it's parent company. UPS. Union for most of it's 100 years. One of the most successful and profitable money-making machines in the WORLD. UPS'es UNION employees work hard but enjoy some of the best pay and benefits in the industry. So can anyone tell me why a companies' inabilty to turn a profit and succeed is always blamed on the unions instead of on poor management? UPS knows how to make a company successful and profitable. They will apply that ability to UPS Freight, regardless of whether they are union or not. Any Questios?
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Just to clarify, for the truly dense, what I said about Leo was in no way meant to be an anti-union rant. I am not, nor have I ever been anti-union, and most of the fellas around here know that.

But I will say that the, "you're either with us or you're scum of the earth" tactic didn't work real well the last time the union tried to organize O'nite, and I doubt it will do very well this time.

Finally, I wouldn't know Leo Suggs if he walked through the door right now. I am not helping him to write a book, nor am I president of his fan club. What I was trying to point out was a empirical, historical fact for those of you who have been with the company less than 8 or 10 years.

The understanding of history can be very useful. If you try to understand what happened 10 or 12 years ago to the union campaign, what went wrong with it, and why Leo beat the union, perhaps then you will get an idea of the mistakes not to make this time around. If you choose to ignore what has happened in the past, then it is very likely that, if you have not changed the numbers in the equation, the result will be the same.

My last post on the subject...... good luck fellas.
 
nobody said:
The understanding of history can be very useful. If you try to understand what happened 10 or 12 years ago to the union campaign, what went wrong with it, and why Leo beat the union, perhaps then you will get an idea of the mistakes not to make this time around. If you choose to ignore what has happened in the past, then it is very likely that, if you have not changed the numbers in the equation, the result will be the same.
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Well said. Things are going to be different this time around.
 
So far so good with the Overnite/UPS take over.

This may just be an opinion of an old LTL freight hauler.
When it was first made public back one year ago now.
That UPS had bought out Overnite.
A lot of Teamster drivers were telling me that this would be the end of us.

There was a lot of speculations like UPS would try to make us part of the parent company,that the feeder drivers that were spares,or on layoff would come,and take our road runs away from us,also the package drivers would take our routes,and we would have to take over package routes.

The other thing was that UPS would try us out like experiment with our company,if it didn't work out the way they wanted they'd throw us away.
Than try again with another LTL company.
Something like what happened with the Union Pacific buy out.

But I see UPS taking it real slow introducing their methods,a little here,and a little there.

Maybe if we became a part of the parcel contract our jobs would be subject to senority of the intire parcel company.

But by keeping us a LTL,Truckload division we won't have to deal with any of the parcel,and the parcel workers won't be able to move in on us.

Out with the old Overnite good old boys.
In a short while it will be all UPS management that would have taken the time to get used to moving heavy freight,and truckload shippments.
Not like the old Rail Road days when they pushed their way into something they knew very little about,than wanted to throw us away.

All I can say is thank God we were bought by a company thats got a vision of being the biggest,and the best in the world.
 
this deal is not like UPS buying their first computer, out of curiousity, to see how it works or IF it even works at all. they know exactly what they are doing and how to do it.this would make a great reality series on how to give a company a make-over instead of an old building or a rusty old car. they bought a 1.25 billion dollar fixer-upper.
 
Thats a good one wassesname..

it works for me.

With Union Pacific Rail Road it was down hill,but with UPS everything is looking up!
 
Johnnybegood said:
Leo Suggs saved Overnite...But i'm not sad he's stepping down...The DVD showed the true meaning of the teamsters and how they used violence to try to organize Overnite....
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The DVD showed actions provided by criminals, not Teamsters ,can you tell the differance????.

And can you honestly say that if we do become Teamster's that you would shoot someone in the name of hoffa??.

That comment you made is exactly what the company want's you to believe, they are hoping , no they believe, you are an idiot , and will say no to the union.

After seeing this DVD I believe otherwise, just a simple act of desperation on senoir MGNT'S part instead of saying they F*****up.

In other words , they were anticipating us to be stereotypical dumbass truck drivers.

Are you?.:USA:


My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
Skeeter said:
You going to think free at last. Do you know who is stepping in is shoes. Old Gordon you know the one that mailed those anti union DVDs. He is taking his place. So you union want a Be's are going to have a fight.
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He will be gone shortly too.

And it was'nt Leo that turned this company around, it was the hard working men and women at "O" That saved this company in the long run. Leo just ripped us off in the process, weather justified or not ,what is happening now is just not rite.:bananapowerslide: :bananapowerslide: :nutkick:

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
nobody said:
The understanding of history can be very useful. If you try to understand what happened 10 or 12 years ago to the union campaign, what went wrong with it, and why Leo beat the union, perhaps then you will get an idea of the mistakes not to make this time around. If you choose to ignore what has happened in the past, then it is very likely that, if you have not changed the numbers in the equation, the result will be the same.
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I have to agree with you on this also. I posted a quote on here a while back that says the same thing. "Those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it, but those that live in the past have no future." I hope you are not going to quit posting completely, because believe it or not, I do not expect nor want anyone to just blindly jump on the union bandwagon. I want everyone, including you to question anything that affects their future so they will research it and make a well-informed decision. The reason I support the union is because I have done exactly that, plus I have experience working in both a union and nonunion environment. I hope you will keep posting and questioning the status quo, and I will try to keep answering the questions as best I can.
 
Apostolic said:
This may just be an opinion of an old LTL freight hauler.
When it was first made public back one year ago now.
That UPS had bought out Overnite.
A lot of Teamster drivers were telling me that this would be the end of us.

There was a lot of speculations like UPS would try to make us part of the parent company,that the feeder drivers that were spares,or on layoff would come,and take our road runs away from us,also the package drivers would take our routes,and we would have to take over package routes.

The other thing was that UPS would try us out like experiment with our company,if it didn't work out the way they wanted they'd throw us away.
Than try again with another LTL company.
Something like what happened with the Union Pacific buy out.

But I see UPS taking it real slow introducing their methods,a little here,and a little there.

Maybe if we became a part of the parcel contract our jobs would be subject to senority of the intire parcel company.

But by keeping us a LTL,Truckload division we won't have to deal with any of the parcel,and the parcel workers won't be able to move in on us.

Out with the old Overnite good old boys.
In a short while it will be all UPS management that would have taken the time to get used to moving heavy freight,and truckload shippments.
Not like the old Rail Road days when they pushed their way into something they knew very little about,than wanted to throw us away.

All I can say is thank God we were bought by a company thats got a vision of being the biggest,and the best in the world.
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Apostolic,
I finally found something that we agree completely on! UPS is a very thorough company. Over the next couple of years, they are going to be slowly changing and tweaking our company until we are a well-oiled freight machine. We will be one of the titans in the LTL business. I also thank God for that because we will all eventually benefit from that.
 
nobody said:
Just to clarify, for the truly dense, what I said about Leo was in no way meant to be an anti-union rant. I am not, nor have I ever been anti-union, and most of the fellas around here know that.

But I will say that the, "you're either with us or you're scum of the earth" tactic didn't work real well the last time the union tried to organize O'nite, and I doubt it will do very well this time.

Finally, I wouldn't know Leo Suggs if he walked through the door right now. I am not helping him to write a book, nor am I president of his fan club. What I was trying to point out was a empirical, historical fact for those of you who have been with the company less than 8 or 10 years.

The understanding of history can be very useful. If you try to understand what happened 10 or 12 years ago to the union campaign, what went wrong with it, and why Leo beat the union, perhaps then you will get an idea of the mistakes not to make this time around. If you choose to ignore what has happened in the past, then it is very likely that, if you have not changed the numbers in the equation, the result will be the same.

My last post on the subject...... good luck fellas.
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First of all I would like to shed a tear for Leo but it's being trucked in with the water going to newburgh. And this is not "O" any more, it's gone. And furthermore I think Leo did a good job but infact alot of the people being hired at most of the terminals now are or were teamster's at one point and are coming to UPSF because they think it is a shoe in.

So although I agree with your comment of redundancy, we do not want what happened some time ago , do not use it as a threat of anykind, or a possible proposal for failure ,based on the fact that the #'s of drivers have changed from 3-4 years ago. This could infact sneak up on us ,and bite us in the RUMP!!!!!. Most of the people I have given road test's too lately are X teamster's and have been hired at our terminal. And I am sure this is not the only terminal where this is happening. These people belive they came here to finish what they have started.

My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
 
Accelerator said:
The DVD showed actions provided by criminals, not Teamsters ,can you tell the differance????.

And can you honestly say that if we do become Teamster's that you would shoot someone in the name of hoffa??.

That comment you made is exactly what the company want's you to believe, they are hoping , no they believe, you are an idiot , and will say no to the union.

After seeing this DVD I believe otherwise, just a simple act of desperation on senoir MGNT'S part instead of saying they F*****up.

In other words , they were anticipating us to be stereotypical dumbass truck drivers.

Are you?.:USA:


My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".

This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
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You seem to forget i saw the worst of all these things happening daily ...By Teamsters.Who were also criminals...I would be ashamed of these practices but there are alot of people when asked to make a choice would choose wrong.....:shutup2:
 
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