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upsfreight does not care about Leo"s vision or anyone elses...Leo's vision has never come to pass and never will.....UPS has a vision and it will start immediately and nothing or no one will stop it....O and Motor Cargo are dead...get on with the living. (UPS FREIGHT)
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Why do you think it is UPS is so determined to keep UPSF nonunion? Do you think it might be so they can pay you less money, pay out less in benefits, fire at will, pick who they want to work OT. Just think about all the reasons they have for keeping the union out. It will save them millions of dollars. Do you really think they will voluntarily do the right thing by you UPSF guys. I have worked for them for years. They don't care about you or your family. I'm not saying you can't make some good money without the union in there. You definately can. But why settle for even a penny less than what the package division makes. They will never do the right thing by you unless you make them.
just poped in the DVD today
G***** M******** senior VP of operations gives reasons to say nonunion ,,1st the high cost of running a union LTL co. we can not compete with other non union LTL co.'s and the customer would rather work with a non-union co. ''work stopage '' being the reason. he also used the word flexible a few times as meeting customers need's. and he said the teamster pension is under funded and the teamsters just want your dues money. he ended with before you sign anything the union has, ask ?'s ask the teamsters to promise not to strike.. (he looks scared) well all i have to say is SAME OL OVNT,,,,,SAME OL silly write ups SAME OL dock sups yelling and cursing at dock workers SAME OL managment YELLING at dock workers SAME OL strong arm tactics by OVNT managment SAME OL FEAR from managment ''we will go out of buisness if we are teamsters'' SAME OL 50 cent pay raise in Jan..(maybe)
G***** M******** senior VP of operations gives reasons to say nonunion ,,1st the high cost of running a union LTL co. we can not compete with other non union LTL co.'s and the customer would rather work with a non-union co. ''work stopage '' being the reason. he also used the word flexible a few times as meeting customers need's. and he said the teamster pension is under funded and the teamsters just want your dues money. he ended with before you sign anything the union has, ask ?'s ask the teamsters to promise not to strike.. (he looks scared) well all i have to say is SAME OL OVNT,,,,,SAME OL silly write ups SAME OL dock sups yelling and cursing at dock workers SAME OL managment YELLING at dock workers SAME OL strong arm tactics by OVNT managment SAME OL FEAR from managment ''we will go out of buisness if we are teamsters'' SAME OL 50 cent pay raise in Jan..(maybe)
Come on upsguy1970 get real
Just because UPS bought a freight company the size of a nat compared to them.
I don't see how that few employees are going to twist their arm to throw out a big raise in money,and benefites if they vote to organize?
Your living in a dream world if you think that.
Why is it just about ever posts swings around to putting fear into us to help us make a move to join the Teamsters union?
If you do your job the best you can,what is there to worry about?
May the Lord direct your path it works for me.
Just because UPS bought a freight company the size of a nat compared to them.
I don't see how that few employees are going to twist their arm to throw out a big raise in money,and benefites if they vote to organize?
Your living in a dream world if you think that.
Why is it just about ever posts swings around to putting fear into us to help us make a move to join the Teamsters union?
If you do your job the best you can,what is there to worry about?
May the Lord direct your path it works for me.
While I'm on a roll I'd like to address Mud-Flap also
Just a point of thought Mud-Flap,God has blessed me with all city work driving in my local area now for 43 years,I've stated on this board before I've worked for 11 Teamster companies,only 2 are still in business.
Yellow,and Roadway both I worked as a spare with no hope of going full time,because of my age.
They both liked my good work,attitude,incouragement,and willingness to help my fellow drivers,and dock crew,but they wanted to put younger drivers on the clock.
Over the years I saw both the union companies I worked full time for close up along with the others I had spare work with as well as a lot of other union companies.
But seeing I wanted to stay on in a driving carrer.
I know its much better working for a company thats making money than one thats just getting by.
Just my opinion for what its worth,take it or leave it.
May the Lord direct your path it works for me
Just a point of thought Mud-Flap,God has blessed me with all city work driving in my local area now for 43 years,I've stated on this board before I've worked for 11 Teamster companies,only 2 are still in business.
Yellow,and Roadway both I worked as a spare with no hope of going full time,because of my age.
They both liked my good work,attitude,incouragement,and willingness to help my fellow drivers,and dock crew,but they wanted to put younger drivers on the clock.
Over the years I saw both the union companies I worked full time for close up along with the others I had spare work with as well as a lot of other union companies.
But seeing I wanted to stay on in a driving carrer.
I know its much better working for a company thats making money than one thats just getting by.
Just my opinion for what its worth,take it or leave it.
May the Lord direct your path it works for me
While I'm on a roll I'd like to address Mud-Flap also
Just a point of thought Mud-Flap,God has blessed me with all city work driving in my local area now for 43 years,I've stated on this board before I've worked for 11 Teamster companies,only 2 are still in business.
Yellow,and Roadway both I worked as a spare with no hope of going full time,because of my age.
They both liked my good work,attitude,incouragement,and willingness to help my fellow drivers,and dock crew,but they wanted to put younger drivers on the clock.
At the time there were to many spare drivers going for what little work there was,so I didn't have any say in getting hired on.
I took a withdrawel from the Teamsters and got hired full time at Overnite.
Over the years I saw both the union companies I worked full time for close up. Along with the other union companies I had spare work with,also a lot of other union companies.
But seeing I wanted to stay on in a driving carrer.
I know its much better working for a company thats making money than one thats just getting by.
Just my opinion for what its worth,take it or leave it.
May the Lord direct your path it works for me
Just a point of thought Mud-Flap,God has blessed me with all city work driving in my local area now for 43 years,I've stated on this board before I've worked for 11 Teamster companies,only 2 are still in business.
Yellow,and Roadway both I worked as a spare with no hope of going full time,because of my age.
They both liked my good work,attitude,incouragement,and willingness to help my fellow drivers,and dock crew,but they wanted to put younger drivers on the clock.
At the time there were to many spare drivers going for what little work there was,so I didn't have any say in getting hired on.
I took a withdrawel from the Teamsters and got hired full time at Overnite.
Over the years I saw both the union companies I worked full time for close up. Along with the other union companies I had spare work with,also a lot of other union companies.
But seeing I wanted to stay on in a driving carrer.
I know its much better working for a company thats making money than one thats just getting by.
Just my opinion for what its worth,take it or leave it.
May the Lord direct your path it works for me
the DVD
why not show the TM's mid-day rant's and the and dock sups crying about not geting a bonus and the TM saying the lack of freight is our fault. why not show the managment taking dock workers up to the office to chew them out. the DVD shows HISTORY lets move on this is 2006 and i have to put up with managment that uses fear and strong arm tactics when i go to work next week.
why not show the TM's mid-day rant's and the and dock sups crying about not geting a bonus and the TM saying the lack of freight is our fault. why not show the managment taking dock workers up to the office to chew them out. the DVD shows HISTORY lets move on this is 2006 and i have to put up with managment that uses fear and strong arm tactics when i go to work next week.
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Apostolic most good driving jobs are hard too get. I spared for Yellow, Roadway,NewPenn,worked at Redstar and many other union and nonunion companys. I know alot of men who tried to get there foot in the door of those companys but could not even spear for them. Even overnite was not an easy job to get. I saw union and nonunion companys that I worked for go out of business. I've seen guys at overnite and UPSF quit becuse they did not have enough hours ,but they had part timers working. Maybe you have had steady work but not everybody else has steady work and there not old. I think it's about being at the right place at the right time with a good driving record.
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No one is trying to strike fear in you UPSF guys except for management. I just have a hard time understanding why you would be willing to settle for less than what you deserve. You guys are now UPS employees and you deserve the same benefits and pay scale as we have. Don't you deserve that. Don't settle for less than what what your fellow UPSers are getting. It sounds to me like you guys are making 5 or 6 dollars an hour less than we are and that is not right.
No one is trying to strike fear in you UPSF guys except for management. I just have a hard time understanding why you would be willing to settle for less than what you deserve. You guys are now UPS employees and you deserve the same benefits and pay scale as we have. Don't you deserve that. Don't settle for less than what what your fellow UPSers are getting. It sounds to me like you guys are making 5 or 6 dollars an hour less than we are and that is not right.
Apostolic I enjoy your post. But it's like the military you can have a great command and a terrible command. Just because your terminal runs smooth is not to say another one does not. We all know managers on a power trip. Why should our fellow employees be scared for their job.Apostolic said:
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bigarms said:
Not if they sighned a disclaimer, or permission prior.
My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".
This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.
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I expect UPSF to fight the union. If UPS wants to send me things in the mail thats OK with me. I feel I't s freedom of speech.If the teamsters have things to say they have a right to be heard. I think both sides are going to show the worse. I feel a right for a vote is important. The teamsters are not the union. We are the union. If the teamsters have a bad leader he can be voted out. If UPSF does not want the union they could have easliy keeped them away. Money talks b&**s%$t walks. UPSF would rather spend our money fighting the union than give it to the drivers. Freedom of speech and your right to vote are importand tools never give them up.Boats said:
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upsguy1970 said:
First of all let's not get sidetracked here. We at "O" are part of a freight world, not small package, so for me to believe, that I will get $24.00--- $30.00\HR. is nothing more than a fallicy.
First of all if we do become part of the union world then we will be part of the freight agreement. If I am correct the top end pay for them is $23.00\HR. with Otime after 8 and all of the union bennies, but let's not forget it is UPS that we are negotiating with, they have to agree first.
Do not be mistaken when thinking that we as "O" do not have to prove our profitability to UPS. They will not take funds from another entity like (small package) and revert these funds back to "O". you are only fooling yourselves to think that.
To say "O" does'nt have the profits to maintain the MFA ( master freight agreement) they probably do.
Do not listen to the rhetoric that is implemented by bothsides of the coin but vote on what you think is best for you and your family and decide what is best for your work environment. After and when all the "O" mgnt. has left the building then it is UPS mgnt. that we will have to tend with.
We all know what happened to us on the front lines of the last strike and we all can throw mudd at eachother in the process but who are we kidding ?and how are we gaining from this?.
Having a business of my own ,I will and never give monies from one business that is profitable and move these assets into another to sustain profitability when there is none to be had!!!! There is profitability in freight , the question is , is mgnt.eager enough to go get it?
My new jobclass is "Freight Redundancy Specialist".
This Person will have the ability
to tolerate mentally challenged dispatchers
who excell in the art of ignorance redundancy,
and can withstand driving 18 wheelers at
top end speeds in circles.