I believe you, but in Central States we pay the first $1200. $200 deductible and $1000 out of pocket limit.
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I believe you, but in Central States we pay the first $1200. $200 deductible and $1000 out of pocket limit.
silvertooth
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I really don't know how you can speak for everyones concerns at the time of the survey, nor do I recall any public disclosure of the conclusions drawn from said survey.
When the PPA becomes law Central States would have had a red rating, forcing benefits to be cut, UPS's buyout and the NMFA's overkill pension contributions are a bandaid short-term solution to a long term problem that only exists in the Central States fund, I'd say they bought us 25 years before people really get screwed.
For myself and several others I have spoken with, wages were and have been our paramount concern from the time the we filled out our surveys. I would have much rather see our wages an pension increases be equal, organizing is allot simpler when you can show someone a paystub that shows you make 33% more than they do an hour, and that is why I would not totally oppose paying a portion of our medical out of pocket as long as it was fixed, and compensated for in wages, allot of people (prospective Teamsters) just see the dollar signs. I would rather pay my medical then see non-union USF Glenn Moore come in and grab our Teamster freight right out of our yard.
I guess it's really just a fundamental difference of opinion, is the status quo good enough? Is simple preservation the principle concern? Or do we want to grow membership and improve on conditions specifically, in the LTL business? To attract those new members those increases need to be on our paystubs as much as possible, not in retirement funds that a prospective member has no vested interest in.
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I agree , Silvertooth , that drivers are more concerned with upfront wages than any long term benefits. When recruiting prospective members, the first thing they ask, (if they'll even speak) is how many miles can I get, then how much per mile. Hourly rate, delay pay a distant third and retirement (what's that?) isn't even on the radar screen.
Retirement is never an issue with younger folks......did any of us really believe we were gonna be old someday? Time flies. There will come a time when retirement rates higher on their agendas and they'll probably be glad that the members in front of them made sure, at least hopefully, that they might not have to eat dog food as seniors.
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Most of the time in this industry your not really living, rather, merely just existing. Personally.....
heres how i see it
any body with 20 to 25 years in voted yes to save their retirement (or so they think) but when the stop fillin retired workers in place of 4hr casuals whos left to pay in for my retirement????????????????????????????
any body with 20 to 25 years in voted yes to save their retirement (or so they think) but when the stop fillin retired workers in place of 4hr casuals whos left to pay in for my retirement????????????????????????????
Again, the 4 hour casuals, if they can find them, will be dock only to help get the outbound ready a lot faster, thus improving transit times and more than likely competing in the short haul market. The plan is to gain market share and if successful will require the hiring of many more drivers to move freight. If I'm not mistaken CMO is a combination barn anyway and you have no full time dockhands, correct? Wasn't it you who was complaining a few days ago about working too many hours?
Here it is..........
sal manila
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lucky you lately i cant get more than 8
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Stldude44 GOTCHA yellowslave. Also, non-union companies typically raise their employees' wages so that they are just below union wages. The big difference is in the other areas like benefits and job protection language. So I disagree with you, but that doesn't surprise me.
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What about Chicago?
In the Chicago area, the local cartage drivers never approved this B.S. contract. Thus, we are working under an extension of the old contract (per agreement from the company). That said, we should fall under the "every year thereafter" and get our COLA raise, correct?
In the Chicago area, the local cartage drivers never approved this B.S. contract. Thus, we are working under an extension of the old contract (per agreement from the company). That said, we should fall under the "every year thereafter" and get our COLA raise, correct?
This is just a guess, but I do believe that legally the old contract expired on March 31st and therefore there is no COLA increase due. The contract "conditions" have been extended temporarily while negotiations for the new contract continue. I would think that this means that everything stays "frozen" as it is until the new contract is settled. Once that happens the new conditions will apply retroactively, i.e. back to April 1st. Again, this is just my take on it and I certainly could be wrong.
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60 Cent per mile
At the end of this contract we will be making 60 cents per mile this is unheard of in this industry. I cant believe people are arguing over a cost of living raise.:Violin:
At the end of this contract we will be making 60 cents per mile this is unheard of in this industry. I cant believe people are arguing over a cost of living raise.:Violin:
Ok, not to start an argument but if we pay an extra four dollars a gallon for gas on top of the $3.56 per gallon now at the end of the contract, things will still be ok??? My point is prices are going up on everything; our wages should some what match it, I think, in my opinion of course.
Do you live in a bubble??
Why do you think it is in the contract? Just to expand the number of words and to make it look good..Well look around you and maybe you will see the prices rising,rising as I am typing.Everything is going up due to inflation Think of it this way,sixty cents a mile sounds good at the end of the contract if there is no inflation,but if there is then your payscale is going backwards....The hourly rate would be about .165 cents and I know it doesnt sound like a lot figure out what it would be over the life of the contract...By the way I am filing next week on it. It is in the contract Now pay it
Why do you think it is in the contract? Just to expand the number of words and to make it look good..Well look around you and maybe you will see the prices rising,rising as I am typing.Everything is going up due to inflation Think of it this way,sixty cents a mile sounds good at the end of the contract if there is no inflation,but if there is then your payscale is going backwards....The hourly rate would be about .165 cents and I know it doesnt sound like a lot figure out what it would be over the life of the contract...By the way I am filing next week on it. It is in the contract Now pay itSure our wages should increase to compensate for inflation, but if there's no provision for that increase IN THE CONTRACT then how do we get it??
Do you live in a bubble??
What exactly are you talking about? There is no provision for a COLA increase this April 1st as has been already pointed out. The COLA increases only come into effect during successive years within the contract period. How exactly are you going to file for something that doesn't exist??
A lot of stuff that is'nt in the contract gets filed on all the time, and I won't split hairs on it but what was the intent of Hoffa when he said he protected COLA? I'm sure it was to mislead the members (and it worked). Hell if nothing else it will give the panel something to laugh and joke about between grievances. I know what happened so do all of you.
You'all win I've got nothing left. Go get em Crazy.
Triplex Where does it say it kicks in the second year of the contract.It said COLA would be maintained or was it just another lie from our leadership..From what I was told from my local the international told them there wasn't enough inflation to kick in a cola increase. That is why I am going to file.Besides if you cant have fun in life what else is there??
Where does it say it kicks in the second year of the contract.It said COLA would be maintained or was it just another lie from our leadership..From what I was told from my local the international told them there wasn't enough inflation to kick in a cola increase. That is why I am going to file.Besides if you cant have fun in life what else is there??A lot of stuff that is'nt in the contract gets filed on all the time, and I won't split hairs on it but what was the intent of Hoffa when he said he protected COLA? I'm sure it was to mislead the members (and it worked). Hell if nothing else it will give the panel something to laugh and joke about between grievances. I know what happened so do all of you.
You're absolutely right about things not in the contract being subject to arbitration/interpretation. But the COLA increase conditions are spelled out in the contract quite precisely.
Triplex
Crazy, read all the posts in this thread and in particular my earlier post (#24) for my best explanation. I don't know what more I can say to try to explain it. The COLA conditions have been maintained in the new contract exactly (except for the new dates) as they were in the old contract.