i beg to differ with you tkna!!!! i do have a dog in this fight!!! i face the possibility of being called back on the yrc freight side of this company!!!! maybe sooner than i thought. i do not know where you get the idea i am lazy??? i started current job about a week after i got layed off after 23 yrs. i turn in my notice next week then go to holland!! yes i am still a little pissed about what went down!!! not just for myself but also for fellow brothers and close friends that have had to relocate and relocate again!!! guy's just trying to take care of their families! i was a switcher for a lot of years and i got to meet a lot of dallas drivers. what i see posted on here and what i used to hear from the dallas drivers is alway's very similar!! this is nothing new!!!!! seems to me to be a pattern here!!!!! SAME **** DIFFERNT DAY!!!!!!!!!!!. OR DIFFERENT YEAR!!!! OR MONTH ETC.
i beg to differ with you tkna!!!! i do have a dog in this fight!!! i face the possibility of being called back on the yrc freight side of this company!!!! maybe sooner than i thought. i do not know where you get the idea i am lazy??? i started current job about a week after i got layed off after 23 yrs. i turn in my notice next week then go to holland!! yes i am still a little pissed about what went down!!! not just for myself but also for fellow brothers and close friends that have had to relocate and relocate again!!! guy's just trying to take care of their families! i was a switcher for a lot of years and i got to meet a lot of dallas drivers. what i see posted on here and what i used to hear from the dallas drivers is alway's very similar!! this is nothing new!!!!! seems to me to be a pattern here!!!!! SAME **** DIFFERNT DAY!!!!!!!!!!!. OR DIFFERENT YEAR!!!! OR MONTH ETC.
Meanwhile .....Back @ the Root of the problem YRC Management continues to create division between its labor force so it shall have no resistance in continuing to downgrade working conditions, pay scales, & pensions. With the Teamsters focused on how the next ( So Called Teamster Brother ) is screwing the next one the focus is clearly NOT on YRC decision makers. Fact : This situation is nothing new and I am not speaking of Dallas only. Same stories road drivers tell of Dallas I'm sure Road drivers from other terminals tells horror stories of their home terminals in other places to. This has gotten to be nothing but the same words being said over and over with no new meanings or solutions. Its not even worthy of being called a Debate or Constructive Criticism. At this point it seems there are no solutions in sight other than * time * will solve anything one way or another.
Good Day Gentlemen
Life's To Short To Stress Daily !
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Life's To Short To Stress Daily !
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My 2 cents worth, if anyone is interested:
I am a city P&D driver with 28 plus years seniority. For clarity and honesty purposes, I will state that I came from Yellow.
There is still quite a bit of distrust between the folks who came from Roadway and Yellow. Most of the guys from Yellow had a reputation of being, how should I say, LAZY. Most of what I heard about the folks from Roadway was that they were company YES men (and women).
I know that a good bit of the above statement is true. Many of the folks from Yellow are yes, in fact, LAZY. Same for a few of the Roadway group. I also have seen first-hand that yes, there are many from Roadway who are YES men (and women). Again, same for some of the folks from Yellow.
How does any of the above affect me? Only to the degree that I LET it affect me, which is ZERO.
What I DO see is this though: On a daily basis, I see management trying to stir the pot and keep a divide between these two groups of employees. I have heard more stories than I care to recall of how management went in DIRECT violation of the NMFA to take care of one employee while screwing over another. Most of these are seniority abuses, others are safety related. Most of these could be handled through the grievance procedure, but for some reason, many are either afraid to file them or perhaps they simply don't know how.
Most of the employees at 511 are no different than anyone else who is anywhere else in this great land. Leave them alone and they will do their jobs. I know we have a few bad apples (maybe a 1/2 bushel or so) but overall most of the Teamsters know what they have to do and they are prepared to do it every day.
I was there the evening that the afternoon shift steward was fired. I spoke to him briefly in the parking lot just minutes after it went down. I heard about the head steward being fired and I thought 'DAMN, WHO IS NEXT"?
This guy BLOUSE or BLOSS or GLOSS or whatever the heck his name is was brought in here for one reason and ONE REASON ONLY. Shake things up, try to get more out of them than before and see what happens. He fired 2 guys who were walking stewards for what he defines as an Article 8 violation. By his own admission, he is NOT a "freight person". However, he doesn't care whether or not the company wins the discharge grievance or not. He fired 2 people who already had NO production, so he could care less if they win their jobs (and back pay) or not. If he wins, that's GREAT, he has just struck a blow to the local. If the union win and he loses, the company was going to pay them anyhow, and of course they weren't doing any work to start with, so nothing lost.
In my opinion, the company is getting themselves positioned to take on the union, and if all this works, it will be a victory for the company and a feather in his hat. It is, however, hard to argue the fact that every bill that comes through 511 costs $50 (+/-) more to handle than it does at just about every other terminal in the system. I don't claim to have the answer. I wish I did.
I have followed this thread since it started and it really saddens me to see so much dirt being flung at each other while seated safely behind a computer screen. C'mon folks. Lets quit the hating, fighting and name calling. Let's start figuring out a way to make this company and this union both be something better than it is. Something that each of the 3 used to be. We all used to work for a great company and we used to have a strong union who was there for us when we flubbed up.
Off of my soapbox now, I'll continue the conversation with the voices in my head.
I am a city P&D driver with 28 plus years seniority. For clarity and honesty purposes, I will state that I came from Yellow.
There is still quite a bit of distrust between the folks who came from Roadway and Yellow. Most of the guys from Yellow had a reputation of being, how should I say, LAZY. Most of what I heard about the folks from Roadway was that they were company YES men (and women).
I know that a good bit of the above statement is true. Many of the folks from Yellow are yes, in fact, LAZY. Same for a few of the Roadway group. I also have seen first-hand that yes, there are many from Roadway who are YES men (and women). Again, same for some of the folks from Yellow.
How does any of the above affect me? Only to the degree that I LET it affect me, which is ZERO.
What I DO see is this though: On a daily basis, I see management trying to stir the pot and keep a divide between these two groups of employees. I have heard more stories than I care to recall of how management went in DIRECT violation of the NMFA to take care of one employee while screwing over another. Most of these are seniority abuses, others are safety related. Most of these could be handled through the grievance procedure, but for some reason, many are either afraid to file them or perhaps they simply don't know how.
Most of the employees at 511 are no different than anyone else who is anywhere else in this great land. Leave them alone and they will do their jobs. I know we have a few bad apples (maybe a 1/2 bushel or so) but overall most of the Teamsters know what they have to do and they are prepared to do it every day.
I was there the evening that the afternoon shift steward was fired. I spoke to him briefly in the parking lot just minutes after it went down. I heard about the head steward being fired and I thought 'DAMN, WHO IS NEXT"?
This guy BLOUSE or BLOSS or GLOSS or whatever the heck his name is was brought in here for one reason and ONE REASON ONLY. Shake things up, try to get more out of them than before and see what happens. He fired 2 guys who were walking stewards for what he defines as an Article 8 violation. By his own admission, he is NOT a "freight person". However, he doesn't care whether or not the company wins the discharge grievance or not. He fired 2 people who already had NO production, so he could care less if they win their jobs (and back pay) or not. If he wins, that's GREAT, he has just struck a blow to the local. If the union win and he loses, the company was going to pay them anyhow, and of course they weren't doing any work to start with, so nothing lost.
In my opinion, the company is getting themselves positioned to take on the union, and if all this works, it will be a victory for the company and a feather in his hat. It is, however, hard to argue the fact that every bill that comes through 511 costs $50 (+/-) more to handle than it does at just about every other terminal in the system. I don't claim to have the answer. I wish I did.
I have followed this thread since it started and it really saddens me to see so much dirt being flung at each other while seated safely behind a computer screen. C'mon folks. Lets quit the hating, fighting and name calling. Let's start figuring out a way to make this company and this union both be something better than it is. Something that each of the 3 used to be. We all used to work for a great company and we used to have a strong union who was there for us when we flubbed up.
Off of my soapbox now, I'll continue the conversation with the voices in my head.
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Was transferred into a terminal that was all roadway management with 20 years of seniority.That was disregarded at the big R terminal we were moved into as the Boys were giving 12-14 hour days,fridays off and no recognition of seniority from the yellow guys.Filed my own grievances (was Paid approx 2-5 hours daily of ot).I honestly don't believe the culture can be changed as there is no competent leadership.What I saw going on had nothing to do with production it was all about taking care of the "boys" and them eating there cheese.
I agree with raga muffin on most what he said. What I, do not believe is that it costs the co. 50$+/_ to move the frieght through Dallas . The Co. manipulates the numbers all the time. Cost per bill , bills per hour. Much of the cost that is attributed to Dallas is dueto **** poor management on both sides linehaul & dock operations Plus the cost of moving a bill is a avg. That takes into account total terminal costs for labor and if i remember correctly grievences are added into that cost because it falls into the cost of labor classification. Its all a numbers game so they can justify what ever they want to. It also doesn't help the cost of labor when some dumdass checker decides to move 12 skids on one bill that is in the nose of a pup just to set it on the dock so he can get his scan. Use your head leave the crap on the trailer .. Then lets add that the two operations were entirely different.. This merger was set up from the get go to to cause this division . Not just in Dallas but allover they know we can't fight them and fight amongst ourselves at the same time if your fighting a war on two fronts it becomes a war of atrecian . Which is,hard as hell to win.. I will state that we do have a few rotten apples and yes their still is a trust issue between the some of the men. Before the merger Yellow men pretty much stuck together and we knew who could trusted for the most part. I know the same was true at roadway for the most part. Now after the merge we had defections both yellow and roadway men. Some became yes men to get the company to throw them a bone now and then. Basically they played the game to get the cream freight. Others became rats running to the Co. with info whether true or not, just to advance their own cause. But as was stated earlier much of that has worked its self out .
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Not trying to make anyone upset but no matter what the schedules are in Dallas (511) there are always the same few people that are NOT happy no matter what. I am a road driver in Dallas and I run a lot of crappy runs that I don't like. My main concern rite now is just providing for my family so I take whatever run they offer me until things get better. You can't please everybody all of the time but if you think this job is really that bad try working for a non-union trucking company to open your eyes up. I am not taking up for management or the company in any way because we all know how unorganized this place is.
I agree. Beat morale into the ground. Throw em a bone once in awhile. Inform the "owners" (snicker-snicker) Be happy you have a job.
Last, but not least, if you as "owner" don't like it here, quit!!!
Casual labor AND cartage, still utilized as of yesterday, while employees are on lay-off.
Last, but not least, if you as "owner" don't like it here, quit!!!
Casual labor AND cartage, still utilized as of yesterday, while employees are on lay-off.
Yep, it seems management is as paranoid as our Union Officials.
Thou better be on your best behaviour.
Cameras won't matter if U are doing iT like U suppose to. If all they get U doing on camera is " Doing Your Job Safely & Efficiently " then those cameras will turn out to be just another example of wasteful spending of our give back $$ and further proof of managements own paranoia which pushes them to making irrational decision and exercising conduct detrimental to daily operations. But on the other hand if U are doing things which allows management to document and prove the actions they take are deemed necessary in order to restore a positive & productive workplace enviroment then U would have no one to blame but yourself given the knowledge that U know the cameras are there. And when I say Doing Your Job Safely & Efficiently I mean exactly that!! Not a work slow down or stoppage simply because we all know the work around here @ these docks are not our most difficult task. As a matter of fact its relatively easy if we are allowed to focus on moving freight !
Think ! It Ain't Illegal ! " Yet "
Think ! It Ain't Illegal ! " Yet "
I just stated what I see. You seem to be over thinking it and that's not illegal yet!
I never over think anything because I believe life is simple until we complicate it by our own actions. I'm simply saying cameras has always been there if U are doing what U are supposed to be doing it doesn't matter how many cameras they install......A Simple Fact ....
A simple fact! LMAO
It seems to ME, that j-dawg50 is a little over the top, and doesn't mind big brother looking over his shoulder.
Such a BS statement.
I have found over the past 26 years, that even if I did my job, management would still ride me!
You honestly want to know who gets a reprieve, even today?
Those who smooch the management brown-eye, and socialise (comical) with them on a daily basis.
Dare I say, even some of these "Teamster" brothers, socialize with the enemy on weekend outings.
Blatant "in your face" Favoritism.
Does your statement " Doing Your Job Safely & Efficiently " still hold merit?
For me it does. But what works for me may not work for U or anyone else ! But I can tell U cameras have not caught me doing nothing but what I am within my rights to be doing in over 25 years.
So more cameras more of the same for me personally. No over the top knee jerk reaction here. I do what I do !
So more cameras more of the same for me personally. No over the top knee jerk reaction here. I do what I do !
It will remain the duty of every Teamster to prove, on a daily basis if necessary, that the "Iron fist in a velvet glove" management style won't work anymore. That means doing your best each and every day. I do know that will be difficult. Road blocks can be overcome. Find an ally, not EVERY supervisor promotes failure. It is not required to "smooch" to earn respect. Some supervisors do understand common sense, don't waste time on those who don't!