wassesname
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you gotta be management, spread crap all arround and say we gotta walk in it.
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accelerator
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When we do prove you wrong, you contradict yourself, and if your were confident in your statements ,why would you have too reassure us that you are a math major? Please save your breath.
You have been quoting for some time that the INS. in INDY, and the Dues was going to cost you $204.50 a month, prior to that it was $300.00, now it is 14 a week, do you know what you are getting ?
I am starting to find that you are a master at quantum $hit. Is that a branch of mathamatics? Or a requirement for the mapps program?
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This is what I mean, no one is trying to scare you into anything, just because this stuff we mention has not affected you thus far does not garuntee it will not come to a theater near you.
Long haulers are taking loads from road drivers while road drivers is sitting home.
In the new contract it simply states that no contractors will be used until all resources for the road has been exhausted. Which means all people will work prior too a contract carrier.
The ins. is not set in stone, neither is the 401 missing contribution. What INDY voted for is not set in stone because of the suppliments that are going to be negotiated in your region.
Do you think that stewards will be spending time at work on the clock working out these issues or informing the masses?:smilie_132:
In N.E. there are no dues taken from the Steward as long as they go to the monthly meetings on a regular basis.
Funny you mention that. We think that most of the first 100 days of this contract will be spent filing grievances and sitting in front of the management. Not much driving!!!
Yes I agree during the winter spring,and fall seasons there are union meetings once a week at the union halls.
The stewards are required to go,take notes,and inform their co-workers of any news.
Every dues paying member is also welcome to attend these meetings,but the stewards have to go.
Also yes to the question of being on the clock when they are dealling with any union issues at their terminal.
The stewards are required to go,take notes,and inform their co-workers of any news.
Every dues paying member is also welcome to attend these meetings,but the stewards have to go.
Also yes to the question of being on the clock when they are dealling with any union issues at their terminal.
Funny you mention that. We think that most of the first 100 days of this contract will be spent filing grievances and sitting in front of the management. Not much driving!!!
I usually dont drive, I run outbound operations. And NO, I am not salary. For the most part I take over for the TM when I arrive to work @ 1400. The fun stuff, scan bills, organize routes, check in drivers, load trailers, in other words I am the only one here after 1500. Cant complain with the hours :smilie_132::smilie_132:
I think the INS is set in stone, On the teamster website it says UPS freight employees will receive ins at a lower cost which is locked in over the length of the contract. The 401k match will be gone, if we vote union, we wll move to the teamster 401k here is the website already set up. There is no match. Ups has stated union employeed do not receive a 401k match.
Teamsters-UPS 401(k) Online Account Management
direct link is here
https://teamsterups.csplans.com/csportal/welcome.do
I can login to there and all my financial info is already there.
The suppliments are not gonna be free if we or someone else wants somthing added like reduced healthcar costs, you have to give somthing up, what do I have to give up?
The post he made are scare tactics, by any stretch of the imagination.
He is using a negative situation that has not happened and asking me what am I gonna do when it effects me.
This is the same effect they wanted the DVD to have, they wanted us to think that what happened to some drivers in the past organizing efforts, will happen to us if we vote yes on the union.
He asked me how much am I gonna lose if I get fired or they shut the non-union terminals down or how much am I gonna lose when a contract carrier takes my route.
If those are not scare tactics, can you show me what is?
Even I don't try to persuade people to vote my way, I tell them to educate themself and vote however benefits them.
Show me where I contradicted myself I don't see it, I think your making your numbers up.
I make mistakes, You show me my quote I will either apoligize, or say I am wrong. I have done it before.
But looking at your numbers I can see you re confusing where I said week, months and years.
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I am not saying it is, I am not saying it is not, we are in negotiations, so time will tell. If you are at work, you are on the clock, if you punch out, you are not on the clock, so do not punch out.
I do not take what he said as being a scare tactic, because it is happening in the system currently, I have seen it happen.
I think you have said it before, rather then ratteling off with hearsay, wait and we will deal with it now.
You also do not know if the suppliments will be free or not, you also do not know if there will or will not be reduced health care costs because all regions are different by state, this is why when you get your own personal INS. the site in which you visit asks you which state you live, the reason for this is each state mandates health care costs.
And I realize you do not see your contridictions, thats why we are telling you about them, the health ins. argument is a good one, you stated your self that you would be paying $200.00 dollars a month for INS. when in actuality you will be paying $14.00 a week. including dues maybe $25.00 .
Nothing is set in stone, do not assume, until it is all set and done. They (the hall) did ask us what we wanted too see in this contract and no holes were barred.
As I am sure you know in contracts you have to be weiry of every word the company will say it means this the union will say the same word means somthing different.
Here is a quote from Hoffa
"Employees will be paid for all time spent in the service of their employer. They won paid Delay Time, where previously they received none."
There currently is delay pay, it sucks but we do have some.
Also what is the meaning of "in service"?
If I have to wait 3 or 4 hours for my trailers am I gonna be placed "out of service"?
It has been posted that the indy road drivers are to work on the dock when there waiting, this is not delay pay, this is turning road drivers into hub drivers.
I have always said Ins will cost $50 for single employee, $100 for employee +1 $150 for employee +2 or more.
I have never said I would be paying $200
The people that pay $200 are the ones that get the employee +2 or more ins.
I will be paying $50 a month for ins and 54.50 for dues, $104.50 a month and that goes up every 6 months currently I only pay $7 somthing, that cancels out the raise. It is a wash.
It is two different things to talk about what actually is happeneing and to tell someone there gonna lose there job or the non-union terminals will be shutdown
I agree with most everything else you said.
Here is a quote from Hoffa
"Employees will be paid for all time spent in the service of their employer. They won paid Delay Time, where previously they received none."
There currently is delay pay, it sucks but we do have some.
Also what is the meaning of "in service"?
If I have to wait 3 or 4 hours for my trailers am I gonna be placed "out of service"?
It has been posted that the indy road drivers are to work on the dock when there waiting, this is not delay pay, this is turning road drivers into hub drivers.
I have always said Ins will cost $50 for single employee, $100 for employee +1 $150 for employee +2 or more.
I have never said I would be paying $200
The people that pay $200 are the ones that get the employee +2 or more ins.
I will be paying $50 a month for ins and 54.50 for dues, $104.50 a month and that goes up every 6 months currently I only pay $7 somthing, that cancels out the raise. It is a wash.
It is two different things to talk about what actually is happeneing and to tell someone there gonna lose there job or the non-union terminals will be shutdown
I agree with most everything else you said.
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O--- you cant argue this,,, going union will be better for me, and all the guys i got to sign cards equally. and im not defending contract carriers but they have a CONTRACT,,they get the work. and my comment about closing terms that dont go union was not a threat but a possibility. they could shut it down and offer you a union job, turn it down and no unemploynent. (purely hypothetical)
Well then you can always address the negative issues in the INDY contract.
Then see if you can work them to your benefit within your regional supplements.
Such as delay pay can be made not doing dock work.
There you go,always glad to help out whenever I can.
Yes you are welcome.
Then see if you can work them to your benefit within your regional supplements.
Such as delay pay can be made not doing dock work.
There you go,always glad to help out whenever I can.
Yes you are welcome.
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as a former steward, I was not required to attend union meeting.but you should,it's your job.As for no dues that goes from local to local i guess, i had to pay,but in the event of lay-offs i could not be lay-off so in a way i had super seniority, some senior men don't like that.Some ten to think that it's a glorious job,it's not, every one *****es an cries to you and when you tell them they have nothing they get mad at you
Yes APO this is what I am hoping that the rumor about regoins negoitiating is true, All the terminals in my region deliver to the same hub, except the ones that go out of state, and we all have the same concerns and rules, it only makes sense.
I have not nor ever will argue what is best for someone else, I have not tried to sway others to vote my way becuase it benefits me.
Can you say that?
How does one determine which region they belong to...?by hub,spoke or wheel???? or other?
here is a good read on stewards Teamster Local 70 Shop Steward RULES AND REGULATIONS