Harrisburg June 20, 2017, 1 P.M.: Right-To-Work Is Wrong Rally

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  1. SAC75

    SAC75 Well-Known Member

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    I do get your point but you forgot about the 2100 that voted for the contract. ABF got stuck with our contract with a 51 to 49 vote also. You did make your point and it is a excellent one at that. I will not deny that one! Well played! Sorry for the disrespect. I didn't see the whole picture. I'll try to look a little harder at others points. With that you maybe should look at how you put things out yourself. It made it just as combative as me. Again sorry.
     
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  2. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    Unions get help from the laws in states where it's not right to work. The teamsters have been around much longer than the nlra, so if they have effective representation, why do the dues need to be compulsory?
     
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    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    And on the flip side, if the local membership has strength, it doesnt need compulsory dues, does it?
     
  4. retired&proud

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    It wasnt 2100, the vote was 1488 to1416. The rest never even bothered to vote.Thanks for the acknowledgement of my point because that is something many people would ever admit let alone open minded enough to see. No need to apologize for the disrespect because it was mutual like you said and something I have come to expect over the years as coming with the territory. I will consider the point you made as well and try being more attentive upon my delivery in the future.
     
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  5. canaryinthemine

    canaryinthemine Retirement....The Job I Was Born To Have!

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    Just back from the Union meeting. Local #30 will be sending a bus to Harrisburg, Pa. on June 20th. As I will be retired on that date, I can't ask Local #30 to pay for my bus ride, so I guess I'll just have to ride out myself. We hope to get about 50 - 60 guys out there...........and a few gimpy old retirees like me.........
     
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    Thats right, it doesnt need compulsory dues where the locals are strong and have good strong white paper contracts. Now tell just how many locals have good strong white paper contracts these days? The members in the locals that have strength arent the ones campaining for RTW either.
     
  7. buffalobill

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    And my point being, if the contract is that weak, with poor, noncaring membership, wtf is fighting RTW going to solve. Propping up a weak union contract doesn't help anything.
     
  8. retired&proud

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    Tell me how the unions get help from the laws in states where it's not right to work? Unless you consider not passing laws that hinder mandatory fees as being part of a union. The mandatory fees were in place and accepted when the unions were voted in so thats why. Where does it end, how about passing laws where members dont have to work for less if they didnt vote for a concessionary contract. I don't agree with it so I shouldnt have to abide by it, right?
     
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    Youre point was strong locals dont need compulsory dues not weak ones. You never did answer my question of how many locals have good white paper contracts these days because its very few. Thats probably why you didnt answer it. RTW just enables the weak ones to spread. Just what kind of members will the RTW be attracting in the future? The weak ones who want good wages and benefits who wouldnt be willing to pay for them which means that they sure wont fight for them either.

    Just how do you think all these crappy contracts got passed. The leaders didnt vote for them, the members are the ones who voted them in. The problem also lies with the members getting weaker over the years and RTW sure wont help that change.
     
  10. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    That's already in effect, you can go find a place that isn't on concessions! What don't you get about rtw, if a union does their job, what's the worries? Maybe yrc would have been handled better if the members said no to dues after the last round of concessions?
     
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    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    Nothing is going to help, manditory dues or not, and wtf didn't I answer, I've seen good white paper contracts and crappy ones, so far, the manditory dues haven't helped, have they?
     
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    What dont you get? I dont care how well the union leaders do their job, there will be many that still will be unhappy along with the ones looking for a free ride.

    You said that maybe yrc would have been handled better if the members said no to dues after the last round of concessions. Who, the very members who voted for it? How about the members jumping all over the locals and IBT for even having the nerve to present the membership with such trash, let alone vote for it? What part of the weak members being the majority these days dont you understand?
     
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    Is that all you know wtf? Do you think that gets your point across better? I will say it again for you, mandatory fees were accepted as part of being in the union when it was voted in. You also didn't answer where does it end, how about passing laws where members dont have to work for less if they didnt vote for a concessionary contract. I don't agree with it so I shouldnt have to abide by it, right? Do you agree with that too?

    While youre at it how about answering another question you failed to answer too. How are the unions getting help from the laws in states where it's not right to work?
     
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    I bet you that you dont see anyone whos campaigning for RTW on here protesting those who will attending the rally.
     
  15. buffalobill

    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    So we agree then, that the weak membership is a majority? Then how will RTW hurt? You ALREADY have guys that don't care, how is RTW going to work against you any more than the complacent and apathetic membership?

    And please tell me how new Penn voted for concessions, they were told to get it right or else.
     
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    buffalobill Well-Known Member

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    Manditory fees might not even be part of some cba''s anymore, I've seen contracts without them, and that's in a union state.

    I would absolutely support any law that states you don't have to work for concessions if you didn't vote for them.

    In a union state, the union gets help in the form of manditory dues. Even under a weak contract. So you pay dues whether you get meaningful representation or not.

    Riddle me this, if unions are on the ropes so bad, why do most RTW states still have plenty of white paper contracts. Don't you think if the guys were not satisfied, the union would be gone?
     
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    No one is campaigning, I just don't get the big deal. Las Vegas has very effective unions in a rtw state.
     
  18. retired&proud

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    Who do you think wants RTW? It sure isnt the strong members, they fight for what they think is right and quitting isnt in their blood. Its the weak who be the ones not paying dues so just where does that leave the unions. If allowed, the weak will end up destroying the unions just as sure as they passed those crappy contracts. We have to work on changing the apathetic and compliant as well as fighting RTW.

    New Penn failed to remain strong against the leadership and gave in to fear and ended up voting it in. Someone telling me to get it right or else would only make me angry and more determined than ever.
     
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    Who do you expect to believe that because you wouldnt be making such a big deal out of something that meant very little to you. Are you even in a union?
     
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    Now I know that you are non union. How about passing a law that makes all companies unionize so we can get you started in paying mandatory dues? Would you also go for that?
     

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