Hope for our pensions!

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  1. Muler

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    Our forum brings out the best debates and topics. Maybe others should try it.
     
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    If Snakeremainsthesame says ten more bad things about Guardrail I'm going to go off on him.YOUR ON GUARD BROTHER ALWAYS!
     
  3. pilot87

    pilot87 Well-Known Member

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    When you call all Non-Union Drivers, "chumps", " coat-tail riding SCABS" and "Cowardly SCAB workers" and claim they are "directly responsible for destroying wages and benefits.".......(Notice "scabs" is in Caps)

    Excuse me..but to me, that sounds like your bitter......

    You replied to my post...which didn't have anything in it about the TPP....... however....I happen to agree that if it is as bad as opponents of it say it is...It will not do anything of positive value for American workers....and I tend to think they are correct..it will be a "bad deal" for American workers........ NAFTA hasn't been great and wonderful.....TPP will probably be worse.....

    I'm not your "Pal"..... So far you haven't said anything that would elevate you to my list....

    Yes we are...so far.... and just how do you propose that we "set the standard for labor and benefits"?.... Without all the "Scab" references...try and be serious and sensible with what you think is a "solution"....

    Noooo... I said serious and sensible Ideas and "solutions..."...

    I really hate to inform you...but you already are...... most "wage earners" are......Especially if your slaving away at anyone of the many Multi-National corporations.........So... once again, what are your ideas for changing the system?......

    I'm not totally "picking on you".... You have some valid concerns as regards our Corporate controlled Economic and Political systems...... Dividing American workers by saying those who are Non-Union are the ones "responsible" is not true.....and it does nothing to help... We as American Laborers are all in this together.......
     
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    Ten more things?...That's rather generous of you......:hide:
     
  5. pilot87

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    Then I must be doing a whole of Right then.....:victorious:
     
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    Songremainsthesame Well-Known Member

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    Well you don't disappoint, I'll give you that. Still up to the same old games, calling folks names and slanting what they say. I'm not responding to any of the above trash. It's obvious you don't wish to discuss things honorably, just petty whining and crying. And to think on another thread in this forum you have the audacity to say your feelings aren't hurt. Your actions state otherwise. I just hope you apply yourself this hard at work.
     
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  7. Muler

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    I
    I just quoted you.
     
  8. Songremainsthesame

    Songremainsthesame Well-Known Member

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    MISquoted, as is your custom. And whined and cried about my presence on the forum to boot. Just admit it, you don't want to hear anything other than what you WANT to hear and then try to shout down any opposing opinions, call people names, then get butthurt and cry.
     
  9. BoatRocker

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    Let's try to walk and chew gum at the same time...Alright, Pal! The destruction of unions by anti-labor corporations and their puppet politicians who duped guys like you, lead to TPP....

    Furthermore, I stand by my comments.They're an apt description of willfully ignorant cowardly ungrateful shortsighted Scabs who earn union level wages without putting skin in the game...."We're all in this together"??.. I DON'T THINK SO!! Scabs are vultures who feed after the Teamsters make the kill..Your type refuses to acknowledge that without the Teamsters, your Scab companies will drop your wages to .33 a mile...YOU'RE bitter that I'm not sugarcoating the truth...

    Solutions?? Ban Gerrymandering-Start new Political Parties-Term Limits for everybody including the Supreme Court-Elect pro-labor politicians like Bernie Sanders who has a proven track record of looking out for the working class-Enforce Labor Law-Card Check-Low interest rates on Student Loans-Dump Corporate Republicans and Corporate Democrats-Enforce Glass Steagall-1 cent tax on every Wall Street transaction-Tax the tax cheating rich-Tarriffs on China- Prosecute Criminal Bankers-etc etc etc..

    This reply is for all forum members to consider. I realize some of you older guys are cynical at this point in your life, we millennials however don't share your pessimism or ideals. We're gonna take this country back from the global predatory capitalist criminal parasites.

    Kind of a rant, but without passion there's no movement..
     
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  10. pilot87

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    Ok.... Lets get something straight right now...... You can knock the chip off your shoulder and dispense with your derogatory use of the term "Pal" ....

    The only reason I'm willing to engage in a discussion yet...is that you have some valid points that I agree with and are worth discussing.....We can have an adult and civilized conversation about the important issues you raise...or not......It's up to you......
    Obviously your new to the forums here at Truckingboards.... You have NO clue about anything about me....your comment about my being "duped" by puppet Politicians is proof of that......
     
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    Pilot.. Maybe that is just the way he likes to get his point across. Kinda like the condescending way that you like to get your point across. Kid does have some good points though.
     
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    I agree, it's unnecessary, uncalled for and will stop, one way or another.
     
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  13. Muler

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    No I posted your exact words. You said those things and now you want to hide like a coward. Just look through this thread. You can't hide now. You have been outed. But I knew you would not be man enough to stand by your venomous words. But just lay off the comments about Guardrail.
    You are a snake In the grass and now everyone knows it.
     
  14. Songremainsthesame

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    And you are a hateful little man with a Napoleonic complex the size of Texas. How dare you call me a coward when you take my words and twist your own interpretation into what you "think" I said.
     
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    Since your post was an obvious attempt to ridicule the point that I was trying to get across, let me try to put this in such a way that you will understand. This way you wont be able to interpret it in any other way in your attempt to make another point at my expense. So, you asked, how can you have a strict reading and application of the Constitution if everyone is coming up with their own interpretations, including me? The point being that most people try forcing others to accept their interpretation as indisputably true which I try to refrain..Tell me, do you think that you could beat an armed robbery charge in court by telling the judge that you were just simply asking the teller for a withdraw while accidently pointing the gun in their direction, which by the way you did have a permit for? You couldnt help the fact that the teller and everyone else involved interpreted your withdraw as a robbery. So you see, its the court's job to uphold the Laws of the Land by the interpretations that were held for the 200 plus years thus far. Do you actually think that the courts have the right to interpret in a different manner now since many others at this day in time interpret it different? And the ones that do admit its past interpretations as true say it needs changed because its outdated, imagine that. The fact of the matter is that those opposed to what the Constitution truly states, just find a way to interpret what was said in such a way that would make their argument valid, just like the armed robber and like you just tried to do here. So to answer your question, the court system upholds the law and Constitution, not you or I or anybody else, including the politicians. The courts enforce the interpretations from when this country was formed as true for everyone to abide by and thats you and I, and yes, even the politicians because our interpretations are irrelevant when it comes to doing their job which is upholding the Constitution.

    Tell me, how are the contracts enforced? Its a little thing called past practice, isnt it? So I conclude with this question for you, I ask how can you have a Strict reading and application of our NMFA if everyone is coming up with their own interpretations, including me?

    Oh, and by the way, forgive me for not being able to return the favor by stating that your reply brought out some great points. But it sure wasnt was from my lack of trying because as much as I wanted to find something, anything, I just couldnt.

    There is always a way to interpret something other than the real meaning in order to justify ones means, so by all means, come back after you find a way to interpret my reply as something else besides the way it was intended. But when you do, will you at least show me the courtesy of answering my questions when you do?
     
  16. pilot87

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    Lots of posters on here make "condescending" remarks.... Sometimes I do ...yes.....But I have never started a conversation with "Let's try to walk and chew gum at the same time...Alright, Pal!"
    I get your point and I did acknowledge that he also made some good points.......worthy of further discussion......
     
  17. nounionfool

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    You may want to reflect on your own indiscretions before accusing others. Other may get the impression of you being a hypocrite. It looks as though you are trying to pass off your own weaknesses and insecurities to others in order to justify your own actions. Here are a few replies to consider

    Just trying to help you along so that you will be able to survive and not look like such a fool since you seem so eager to keep the correspondence going with those ABF employees.
     
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    And now comes the name calling. I can't say that I am shocked. I quoted you and now that your words are out for everyone to see you start lashing out.

    You have been outed. So let's hear the real you. No twisting just quoting.

    I knew you were in the closet all along. Now we all know a true hater. Tell us about how you have no defined pension. Tell me how you have to survive in the world of no contractual agreements. I bet you thrive in it with your sneaky shady ways. That is why you hate our way if life.

    YOUR WATCHING YOU COME UNGLUED BROTHER ALWAYS!
     
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    "Obvious attempt to ridicule"???... Seriously?..... If I was going to "ridicule" it would have been a lot sharper and pointed than my comment....... Your post was conflicting with itself..... You stated that you believe in only "strict reading and application" of the Constitution.... then made this statement to the poster, " Your interpretation of the First and Second Amendment, it is just that, your interpretation...." and then acknowledged that you, and everyone else, has an "Interpretation" .. I asked with "all due respect", how "strict reading and application could be possible if everyone, including you, made their own interpretations....If you think that is "ridicule" you have some pretty thin skin..... What's with all the "sensitivity" lately anyway???

    Ok...So your "point" was that most people try "forcing" others to accept their interpretation as the only "truth".... Why is it so common that posters that disagree with anothers point, always have to make the Claim that they're "forcing" their views..or, in your case, interpretations, on someone else???.... I read what the Poster wrote and in no way was he "forcing" his view on you....He expressed his opinion.....
    I haven't read that many of your posts to really know if you try and refrain from "forcing" your "interpretation".....but you did just "wave off" his view of the 1st and 2nd amendments as totally invalid.....which would seem to indicate to me that you were NOT "forced" to somehow accept his view and opinion as truth....and that you felt that your interpretation, whatever that is, as you didn't elaborate) was more valid than his.....

    No.....

    A person walks into a Bank with a gun(and presumably a mask) and demands cash..... There is nothing to "interpret" ..The "intent" to commit Robbery would be overwhelmingly obvious....

    Who said otherwise??? Yes the Court makes the final determination if a law was broken and what that punishment should be etc...In your analogy of the Robbery, there would no doubt, be video evidence and there would be nothing that would need to be "Interpreted" .....Maybe you need a new analogy........

    You apparently think they do.... your statement: "So you see, its the court's job to uphold the Laws of the Land by the interpretations that were held for the 200 plus years thus far" The Constitution has not just recently been differently interpreted...it has changed as the years passed...and so have the situations that arisen in the intervening years and up to our day.. Yes the Courts of today..even the Supreme Court make determinations of how to apply the Constitution, as best they can, to apply to the situations of today that could not have ever been predicted or even imagined by the authors of the Constitution.... The authors of the Constitution didn't think women should have the right to vote...... If you could only apply "strict" word for word reading of the constitution without being able to "interpret" the intent and the spirit of which it was written to reflect changing conditions...then we would not have an Air-force today... ..

    So in answer to your question...Not only is it their "Right"....it is their "Responsibility" to interpret it and apply it, as best they can, to reflect todays changed world....

    Where and how, can you so wrongly accuse me of "Opposing what the Constitution truly" says....by anything in my post to you???
    The "armed robber" was a figment of your imagination for "illustrative purposes only" and I certainly didn't make any "Interpretation" of the Constitution in my comments.... and then you say I "ridiculed" you???...

    Do they now?? Do they ALWAYS uphold the law? The law is always applied evenly across the board for everyone?? ...

    I agree it is what they should do....but sadly they don't always uphold the law or the Constitution.... Haven't you heard of all the "Constitution shredding" going on in D.C???? If you want to listen to all that..it's all confetti by now......
    No we, you nor I, make law..nor are we charged with "upholding" the law or Constitution....but we have the right to express opinion and viewpoints regarding any law and the Constitution.....as you yourself do....and should do....

    Past Practice does not always mean, or coincide with "strict adherence" to the contract......Tell me what past practice is if it's not some past interpretation of an article in the contract?......

    The Contract also calls for a grievance procedure as well so that disputes can be addressed......Often times disputes arise because of either side "interpreting" an article differently and the Committee decides....sometimes by a "strict" reading...sometimes by interpreting it to suit the circumstance........if the disagreement is one of those "grey area" situations....

    Just like you "interpreted" my comments as me "ridiculing you"...... that was not my intent nor "real meaning"....but you choose to 'interpret" it that way....

    I only responded to your comments that you wrote....I did not "interpret" them to mean anything other than what you wrote....I expressed my views and Opinions of your comments..... and I hope that I demonstrated the "courtesy" you requested, and are entitled to, by answering your questions...

    All is Forgiven...... I said you brought out some great points because I was being honest....just because you think I ridiculed you doesn't take away from your other points I agreed with.... If you wish to harbor hurt feelings and try and "hurt my feelings" by your above comment.....That is your prerogative.........................

    If you took my comments as "Ridicule".... I apologize....That wasn't my intent....nor was any comment in this post meant to "ridicule"....Just my opinions and responses to your post......

    Enjoy your Evening....
     
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    Do they say "ABFer Super Moderator" on them for easy identification?....:hide:
     

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