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Ohhh here we go , the fight starts......
My dad can beat up your dad! I like that argument, too.The ol' "our job is harder than yours" fight.
True on all counts, however, the hourly pay is irrelevant when you need money bad enough. I did, but no longer do, and I am now in the LTL business.Making 70k in the foodservice business, and how much an hour do you make? For 70k, you must be working 65-70hrs. a week, hand trucking piece by piece and all inside deliveries. That to me is beating up your body, and it will not hold up in the long run. It kills your knees, back, and almost your whole body. Some foodservices like some US Foods warehouses, pay 22cents a pieces-box. I just asked one last week. And some like back in Philly-New Jersey are union and pay very well like 27hr or more.
You cannot even compare a hard city delivery job, and a sit on your fat butt for 10-11hrs as a road driver. I did both, and the hardest thing for a road driver was for me was staying awake, because it so easy and boring. Try delivering with a liftgate everyday, and you as a road driver cannot tell me your job is just as hard. Not even close, and you make far more than a city driver. FedEx needs to pay city drivers a little more to come even close to a road driver. For a city driver to make 70-80k like a road driver, he would have to work 18-22hrs a week OT, every week, and that will never happen. And even if you did, your body would not handle it.
There is a REASON the pay disparity exists. Back in the day, a road runs required a lay down... alternating 3/2 per week. Extra board had to be prepared to be out for several days. The much higher pay was easily justified. When all that changed and most all runs became turns, out and back, the pay disparity was never adjusted. While there should be a premium paid for working nights, the huge difference is no longer really justified. Most who've done both would agree. Now don't think for one minute that I would suggest bringing the road pay down. No, but city pay should be brought up somewhat, while still paying a premium for working nights. In fact, I think night time road bids should pay a premium over day time road bids. Most industries do pay a premium for 2nd & 3rd shift work.You cannot even compare a hard city delivery job, and a sit on your fat butt for 10-11hrs as a road driver. I did both, and the hardest thing for a road driver was for me was staying awake, because it so easy and boring. Try delivering with a liftgate everyday, and you as a road driver cannot tell me your job is just as hard. Not even close, and you make far more than a city driver. FedEx needs to pay city drivers a little more to come even close to a road driver. For a city driver to make 70-80k like a road driver, he would have to work 18-22hrs a week OT, every week, and that will never happen. And even if you did, your body would not handle it.
I agree with most...although I'll have to correct your second sentence. Back in the day, few road drivers were lucky to have 3/2's...most ran the system which meant you left on Sun night and got home Sat morn...thus the reason for difference in pay.There is a REASON the pay disparity exists. Back in the day, a road runs required a lay down... alternating 3/2 per week. Extra board had to be prepared to be out for several days. The much higher pay was easily justified. When all that changed and most all runs became turns, out and back, the pay disparity was never adjusted. While there should be a premium paid for working nights, the huge difference is no longer really justified. Most who've done both would agree. Now don't think for one minute that I would suggest bringing the road pay down. No, but city pay should be brought up somewhat, while still paying a premium for working nights. In fact, I think night time road bids should pay a premium over day time road bids. Most industries do pay a premium for 2nd & 3rd shift work.
If I'm wrong, please explain why...
I have lost all interest in the childish non debates on most of these threads!The ol' "our job is harder than yours" fight.
I've thought a lot about this and I did when I worked there. I'm not going to compare how hard people work that will get us nowhere on here. But it does come down to hours worked. Someone mentioned a 648 mile road run that's a lot of hours to do that. If a city driver worked as many hours as a road driver they would make similar money.
Also, UPS doesn't publicly publish UPSF's earnings individually, they're grouped in with UPS as a whole, just as FedEx does with FedEx Freight....you have to be on the inside to see the real numbers.
I'm on the West Coast for ABF. We're at $24.13/hr now (not sure what the road guys make). 2% increase in 2015 and 2016. 2.5% increase in 2017. $5.08/hr (or close to that) into our pension. ABF pays TOTAL cost of Health & Welfare.Trying to find out what other carriers are making so I can see if we are on par or falling to bottom.
I know upsf makes .67 a mile an over 26 a hr
Od is 24.10 a HR and .56 a mile.
What about Conway, R&L, ABF, an YRC, and southeastern
How many of you know that here at FedEx Freight we have 5 different pay scales? If you don't believe me ask your center manager. They say it's a cost of living thing but I don't believe it because it seems that the large hubs are the ones making the most in these high cost of living places. Did you know that despite the fact that some guys make more money than you for doing the same job we all pay the same amount for insurance and benefits no matter where you live. So if it's about cost of living shouldn't the guy that's paid the lowest amount in wages pay less for insurance? The lowest wage is .5994 per mile and 23.68 per hour if you make that amount you're paying the same for benefits as the guy making the top wage. Just another example of "The Purple Promise" being broke off in you. And I know there are some of you kool aid drinkers out there that think it's fair and the right thing to do but there's nothing fair about it.Trying to find out what other carriers are making so I can see if we are on par or falling to bottom.
I know upsf makes .67 a mile an over 26 a hr
Od is 24.10 a HR and .56 a mile.
What about Conway, R&L, ABF, an YRC, and southeastern
I've thought a lot about this and I did when I worked there. I'm not going to compare how hard people work that will get us nowhere on here. But it does come down to hours worked. Someone mentioned a 648 mile road run that's a lot of hours to do that. If a city driver worked as many hours as a road driver they would make similar money.
Actually that would NOT be the case. With mileage pay being similar in value to OT, almost all of that drivers income is paid at a rate nearly identical to overtime. The only part not paid at that rate would be the drop/hook/fuel portion. A short run road bid could be more similar to a city guy of similar hours, but usually, even in those cases, road would still likely have the advantage.. although to a lesser extent.